EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

It's much less your problem if you live in a wealthy part of the country

I think that's very astute. The referendum is being characterised by some as a simple battle between a Zenophobic Right and an inclusive Left. However, traditional Labour heartlands have voted to leave. If we are to unify the labour movement and take this country in the right direction, we need to recognise why they voted this way, even if we think they were wrong.

All the non-Elite, non-Expert Brexit politicians were clamouring for 'Control'.
They seem to backing off, now they've realised it comes with a big side of responsibility.

As is Wales

still digesting this. It's coming back up my throat every time.

Glad to see Boris given grief by cyclists. Dickhead.

Yeah it's Xenophobic Right and Xenophobic Labour (eg New Labour) vs an inclusive left.

I guess the option of coming back to and live in the uk has just slipped away from me. Cannot believe the outcome of this. Scare mongering, xenophobia, isolationism ... the latest trend in politics, where ever you look. At least I'm really far removed from anywhere apart from nz, so my care level is a lot less than if I'd have been affected. Looking back i am glad i did not buy a house and built a future in a country that doesn't want me there. Farage, wilders, le penn, pegida can all fuck off.

Anyone know the deal re dual citizenship?
My partner's English. I'm not. Can I get an EU-member state passport for my kids?

So, theoretically, Scotland could a second bite at their referendum and then the UK has another referendum which then decides to stay in the EU.

This might be our only hope, though it sounds far fetched:

Scotland calls independence referendum, and looks certain to break up the UK
This prospect, along with zero change in immigration, and a slump in the economy, cause those in places like Cornwall and Sunderland to realise they were wrong to be decieved by the Tory right
Labour Come to power on the back of the tories falling apart and the failing economy
Those inclined to Scottish independence are less hateful of a more left wing Westminster Govt
Article 50 is stopped in it's tracks as we try to keep Scotland in.

Recognition is not the same thing as building bridges. And while I can patronise the `working classes' with my sympathy, right now I feel like leaving them to it for a decade. Come the return of the workhouse I might pop up and ask them how they're enjoying life.

Where are you from?

Where were your kids born?

Both my kids have three passports now (Irish [from me], UK [born here], and Canadian [partner])

Better the devil you know. Etc

Scotland is ruled by Westminster ultimately. They can have as many referendums as they like, without a vote in parliament they're not going anywhere.

eta: short of going full braveheart that is.

right now I feel like leaving them to it for a decade

We need them to start voting again for a unified labour movement, by dispelling the feeling that Labour dominated metropolitan centres are totally out of touch with them. Leaving them to it for a decade might mean a decade of Boris as PM.

But Scotland largely voted to remain so any referendum after theirs (which I can only see going one way now) will be even more weighted to leaving the EU.

The future of politics in the UK without Scotland seems very worrying/one sided

Small chance of that happening. Labour can't even unite themselves, unfortunately.

No confidence motion on Corbyn submitted

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36621777

May not go anywhere - but hey - all change

The government petition page has crashed - presumably under the weight of people calling for a second referendum.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

While the Tories are trying to take time to start Brexit process from Brussels there is pressure to move fast and close with uncertainty... further negotiations have been already denied.

I don't think Scotland wants a less hateful Westminster government. I think it wants out.
They had the option of a less hateful Labour party last time round and they showed zero interest.

Places like Sunderland and Cornwall have already been deceived by the Tory right. It doesn't mean they're going to see it; not without someone with a stronger message from the left helping them to see it. That's demonstrably not Corbyn. (I'd be very surprised if it was Khan either.)

I'm Irish.
Did you have to get Irish citizenship/dual citizenship for your kids before you got the passports?

I'm wary of being optimistic about calls for a second referendum, partly because a narrow margin the other way would probably have resulted in an identical response from the leave side, and partly because campaigners for Remain repeatedly insisted there was no going back.

I think Remain should have pushed the Scotland leaving issue harder.

Dibs full braveheart.

My parents are Irish and moved here when they were in their 20's. I was born here but solely have an Irish passport. It's a relatively straightforward process with the correct paperwork