EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I've been extremely polite on Facebook with zero result. I agree with your views, it's pointless to go do a US vs THEM. But holy shit ... there's been a lot of "lalalalala not listening" instead of "yes, I am willing to take the risk"

(I live in NI BTW, so I know what it's like to be on the contempt of Westminster end)

You do know it wasn't just London that voted to Remain?

I'm with my parents now in an area that went 51-49 to leave, that 49% in the north west aren't in a liberal London bubble.

Please don't draw lines and reject those on the other side, build bridges

It's the idea I reject. Fully and totally. That the break-up of Europe, and the knock-on break-up of the United Kingdom, is in any way good for the economy or the people of this and other nations.

I've never been in favour of borders, yet last night we have collectively chosen to strengthen ours and to create new ones.

Bridge building is a wonderful thing to ask for, but the Leave camp have voted against the very principle of that.

Again, to those remain-ers persistently saying they are disappointed / scared of the future for a inward looking UK and the disappointment for the rise of bigotry means for humanity, please remember that is damaging. It is prejudiced to think that all leave-ers are racist, to think they are in effect 'enemies' to a liberal future makes you close minded in the London bubble. If you grow to fear that those living outside London as being phobic then you too have become part of the problem. If you want to 'jump ship' before your doomed future is realised then that will also contribute to any rise of the right as they will be less opposed. The problem is ignorance and eduction, welcome each other always and forgive those whose view does not include the whole of humanity. You have the power to help all by changing someone's opinion, by making someone humanist. To those outside Boris' home hurling abuse and protest, wake up, we are not a country of racists and your anger will not heal or nourish anybody. If you respond to little Englanders with friction and contempt then the divisions will get worse. Please don't draw lines and reject those on the other side, build bridges.

^ it's literally hours since the decision, people have a right to express their frustrations and emotion, all you are doing is the equivalent of telling someone who's already lost their temper to calm down. you're just fanning the flames.

we are not a country of racists

speak for yourself!
we have a fine tradition of racism in this country, Albion,Blighty whatever the fuck it's called now

I quite agree that those in the `London Bubble' have refused to acknowledge any legitimacy in the disaffection felt by a significant amount of the electorate in the regions. For a decade or more now London has motored ahead with a burgeoning economy and culture in contrast to so many other parts of the UK. The map of majorities on the Guardian's front page sums it up all too nicely.
The wealthy parts of Oxfordshire, Cambridgeshire, London and the metropolitan areas in the North around Liverpool and Manchester are pretty obvious. There is a split in British politics that has been obvious enough since the Labour victory in 2005. It is almost entirely down to the long term employment status in those areas.
But, those upset at the loss of the Remain campaign are not upset for themselves, they are upset because those regions are going to be turned over even harder. Rental prices will increase, zero hour contracts will expand, services will be cut further because this result gives enormous momentum to a swing to far right politics in the UK.
If you earn less than 50k then this result is bad fucking news. The remain campaign could see that, the poor who voted out couldn't.
So no, I won't be trying to build any bridges right now as the future of millions people just took a turn for the worse.

I don't think you're necessarily wrong on this point but people have a right to their anger this morning. Give it a few fucking days before you start in with all the peace and love shit yeah?

I agree that remainers will not change anyone's mind by telling brexiteers they made the wrong choice.

But telling me that I shouldn't be concerned about the xenophobia that the exit campaign raked over? Fuck off. I'm genuinely scared. I have right to be. Immigrants and their descendants are being talked about as if we're some fifth column. Historically, that kind of vilification has not generally ended well.