• It's been obvious since even before Brown's 'bigoted old woman' comments that Labour is failing to address some very real concerns in a lot of working class voters - and not just white working class voters - about immigration.

    I worked for a bit in a factory in the North West where jobs literally were being lost to the EU, with the manual work going to Poland instead, and most of the surrounding businesses where I had friends working were mainly staffed by East Europeans.

    The trouble is, the more there's a cabal of Southern, Oxbridge PPE, professional politicians, the less these views are heard, and the less relevant the positive arguments sound.

    That's why Umunna, Kendall etc would also have been terrible choices for Labour.

    What's most mystifying though is how the fuck Farage's is somehow seen as an anti-establishment figure.

  • Yeah, that's what I don't get.

    I absolutely do get why labour doesn't appeal to a big sector of the traditional labour support, but Farage seems to have done a number with his so called "anti establishment" schtick.

  • And north of the wall they get to choose from Ruth Davidson or Nicola Sturgeon - both of whom seem totally relatable.

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