EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Would you like to teach him how to suck eggs as well?

I rode 220km around south Wales on Sunday.
I was amased at the amount of leave signs outside peoples houses compared to just over the bridge in England.

What part(s) of Wales? I'm in Cardiff and have barely seen any leave posters...

Doug Stanhope's take on immigration still relevant

https://youtu.be/ZQQgb5hXQGU

Yep

http://www.pencils.co.uk/en/gb/home

I think a lot don't realise how disenfranchised a lot of working class voters are with the people they have to represent them, and the labour party in particular.

There are (or at least there seem to be) far fewer politicians making their way up from working class backgrounds to represent the people from their area and much more the professional politician who did PPE at Oxbridge.

Back in the early 2000s Burnley elected a number BNP councillors and everyone was pretty much derided as racist and that was it. In reality there were a lot of people who were pissed off with the local situation (huge job losses, threats to close the A&E) and the lack of engagement and support from Labour politicians and they weren't willing to support Labour anymore if Labour weren't supporting them.

Voting Tory would have been too much but the BNP capitalised on the local sentiment and got a lot of votes, many of which were protest votes to "teach labour a lesson".

I'd say this is fairly much the way things are going again and part of the reason the Leave vote is so popular.

Which is why Cameron was a fucking fool to call it. How many millions voted for Ukip last election? And that was with options.

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I love Stanhope but he's a bit blind to wage lowering and exploitation of low wage job workers.

Skilled jobs also take years to learn, and all the issues with deprived areas already mentioned in this thread.

Other than that, leave can fuck off with its scaremongering. Cos closing the borders never magicked away all this in the USA either.

Ah Derwent! I have Faber castell not sure art shop here does Derwent.

Traitors. Vote brexit!

Is socialism dead in GB?

There are quite a few candidates in ROI/NI (and no labour...sigh...)

Here the disenfranchisement excuse with no alternative doesn't fly... but flags are the thing. So the local a&e still closed.

At least ukip ni got laughed out of town.

We've only got ze Germans (Staedtler) round here. It's an European conspiracy guv!

fucking pencils taking the jobs of egg yolks and blood on cave walls.

Might the anaemic sausagefingers clan be interested in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochre

Support your local red ochre miners.

Friend in Facebook has posted he's voted leave. He's an intelligent person, but has developed the pathology of the liberal democrat - an ideological belief in having a superior relationship to political truth despite, in fact because of, being utterly useless. There's nothing worse than an educated contrarian.

At least ukip ni got laughed out of town.

The DUP is the largest party - that's your UKIP NI, right there.

Have you read The Circle?

The DUP are arseholes indeed, somewhat shy of UKIP. I had a lookaround and you're right, they're not that much better. If at all.

The TUV is a barrel of laughs too.

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I liked it and hated it almost equally. Technology utopia/dystopia with plenty of digs at various famous SV-ites. Scary how prophetic some bits were (e.g. Periscope).

He wrote an interesting article about a recent visit to a Trump rally in the Graun last weekend: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/jun/17/could-he-actually-win-dave-eggers-donald-trump-rally-presidential-campaign

red ochre

Thanks, I've ordered a sackful from Germany.
Still using blood for the fine work tho.

If we leave Europe will our capital still be Brussels?

No, but have been meaning to... recommend? Do like a bit of Eggers... Imagine it is not presenting a 'vote google' manifesto. But I am still far from convinced that they'd do more evil than current incumbents, and would likely find some interesting approaches to the big issues. Corporate taxation obviously a sticking point.

;) xkcd obv.

Of course you are right about taxes, but our current politicians (bar some) have a nasty habit of not paying their dues either.

Back in the early 2000s Burnley elected a number BNP councillors and everyone was pretty much derided as racist and that was it.

There's nothing wrong with calling a racist out. One of the strange things from this referendum is the reluctance to call Xenophobic Racists, Xenophobic Racists and it's lead to a culture of fear and hate being allowed to prosper.

Of course you need to understand where that culture has come from - chiefly due to a succession of Neo-Liberal politicians pointing the blame for working class problems elsewhere, rather than towards themselves as they increasingly siphon money upwards under the guise of austerity.

So call a racist, a racist. Don't allow a culture of fear and hate to grow.
However try to educate people and vote for politicians who promise to deal with poverty