EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Really?

I voted out.

Hail Hydra!

I want to see the world burn: leave.
I want to keep the only good thing going: remain.

I don't want to have to queue.

No you didn't.

The NI people before profit party is doing quite well ATM, but they can't get through to Unionist areas. There's only so much you can do unfortunately. For some reason the unionist areas that are impoverished don't vote left over here, but for well "fleg" reasons.

UKIP may have done a tonne of damage that's hard to undo. Like toxic unionism has done damage over here, and with the death of Irvine the working class unionism pretty much died.

Like Owen Jones?

Owen Jones had the advantage of educated, poltically aware parents who uncouraged his education which eventually led to an Oxford education. He's a champ and a beacon of hope. The people I work with and live amongst are the children of sacked steel workers, sacked coal miners, sacked mill workers and weavers, sacked tailors. Education has been of secondary importance for generations and unfortunately these regions are slow to catch up - the infrastructure still isn't here. A parent who cannot read cannot teach a child to read. I had a shit education but I've worked hard since, sharpened my own abilities through trial and painful error and now my children are learning at a more advanced level than their peers. I hope they can have the University education I could never have.
This is a referendum that has been placed in the hands of an undereducated majority by an over educated individual and he should be sacked for making such a rash decision.

I know. But the cause of their hardship is austerity, not the EU. It'll only worsen if we leave.

I've succeeded on both counts, having voted in-person yesterday.

Oh, and Fucking Amazing Dave asked me how he should vote.
I told him not to trust Boris the Bear or Pob, just because they look funny.

He's voting Remain.

I actually did. And I'm not buying this total bullshit about immigration and border control. For me, the debate is about our right to democratic process.

The EU is a fucked empire run by shadowy men behind closed doors who might care about the macro but my life and yours is in the micro.

I'd add to that, I'd love to stay in the EU but it's uncompromising and unwillingness to change will force countries out.

If the UK leaves it'll be the first domino.

I was 55/45 out/in

10% less of fuck all is still fuck all. A lot of the people Luci describes don't perceive a mechanism by which their comparatively shitty hand can be made shittier. Then hang this £350m in front of them and voting is like a free lottery ticket. No one really thinks they personally are going to get a slice of the pie but Leave is the only campaign that has offered them even the faintest chance that them and theirs might. Talk of rebates and big international trade deals and so on and so forth don't really have a context in their lives. That's the talk of bankers and wankers down in that there London with their posh coffee and ivory towers. Labour and Remain have consistently failed to put this whole referendum into terms that are relevant to the embittered north.

The EU is no more undemocratic that the UK. It IS very unwieldy though with so many countries, to enforce change isn't easy.

Suppose the whole things topples. Then it's back to smaller states, some of which inflict some right arseholery that then is not kept in check (discrimination of Roma, women...) at all anymore.

A topple won't just have fine results IMHO. A hell of a gamble. We shall see what happens. I do hope it will force at least some change and makes them think.

But why is there a house of lords again over here that can't be gotten rid off? ;)

You've voted the same way as almost half the country will, if not more. I'm not judging. I'm sick of hearing that a vote to Leave makes someone a Thicky McThickface.
You exercised your democratic right.

The EU is a fucked empire run by shadowy men behind closed doors who might care about the macro but my life and yours is in the micro.

Yes, it's Byzantine, I'll give you that. Thing is, I could tell you quite a bit about the people in the EU who deal with the kinds of policies that affect the industry I write about. They're only 'shadowy' because the mainstream media here is so disinterested in explaining to anyone anything at all about how it works and who is involved. And they're necessarily macro because they're only allowed to be involved in stuff that has effects across borders - the principle of subsidiarity means that anything that doesn't require cross-border coordination should be done at the national level (which is a principle intended to keep decision-making as local as possible).

Hey ho. I'm just sad at the situation, no criticism of you personally.

Meh - it was a twist on the old Naked Gun 'I hate two things: bigotry and the Dutch' joke.

"UKIP/DUP/and all - Vote these people out they fucked you up"

[reads what they actually are going to do, concludes they've nothing to offer for poorer areas, make things worse]

So what should Remain have said? In the case of NI it's easy: We get a lot of EU cash, we promise to invest it for you in xyz and there will be a consultation.

The EU is a fucked empire run by shadowy men behind closed doors

Hail Hydra!

Oh no, wait, I had a serious point: the UK is also a fucked empire run by shadowy men behind closed doors. Good luck 'taking back your country' if Leave wins, as the Earl of Bedfordshire isn't going to be interested in sharing his jaffa cakes with you, but he will enjoy selling your house to Tesco and forcing you to work on a zero hour contract at the local Amazon warehouse. Woop woop!

you're spot-on sharp this morning (plus previous comments)
/notsarc

https://twitter.com/hashtag/catsagainstbrexit?src=hash

Odds of an exit are now 4.5 to 1, and GBP is trading against USD higher than it has all year.

If there is an exit vote, it's going to be a big surprise to a lot of people that have put money on the outcome.

Vote Leave, watch government explode, get change.

Changed government hamstrung by collapsing revenues and tied up in renegotiating everything. Give the tories another silver plate opportunity to blame Labour for fucking everything up

Very surprised to find my voting slip has a barcode on it which directly corelates to the number on my poll card.

This is a bit of market research as well as a poll.

I thought my vote was going to be anonymous.

Is the abuse of corporate taxation by Amazonesque companies not more likely the bigger the federal Europe gets and the more complex the rules and larger the loopholes.

If Amazon continue to fuck me over enough I'll happily make a banner and stand outside Call Me Dave's house until he does something about it.