• 10% less of fuck all is still fuck all. A lot of the people Luci describes don't perceive a mechanism by which their comparatively shitty hand can be made shittier. Then hang this £350m in front of them and voting is like a free lottery ticket. No one really thinks they personally are going to get a slice of the pie but Leave is the only campaign that has offered them even the faintest chance that them and theirs might. Talk of rebates and big international trade deals and so on and so forth don't really have a context in their lives. That's the talk of bankers and wankers down in that there London with their posh coffee and ivory towers. Labour and Remain have consistently failed to put this whole referendum into terms that are relevant to the embittered north.

  • "UKIP/DUP/and all - Vote these people out they fucked you up"

    [reads what they actually are going to do, concludes they've nothing to offer for poorer areas, make things worse]

    So what should Remain have said? In the case of NI it's easy: We get a lot of EU cash, we promise to invest it for you in xyz and there will be a consultation.

  • So what should Remain have said?

    I haven't a fucking clue. I'm foreign born, southern raised, middle class, educated and haven't lived their lives. I can tell you why they don't relate to the Remain campaign because I live and work close enough to their lives that this much is blindingly obvious.

    More groundwork should have been done a long time ago. More feet on the ground, hands getting dirty, talking to people and understanding what going on with their lives. In it's own shitty way, Leave offered hope, a hope that could be translated into something tangible in the here and now. Remain needed to work out what kind of hope the disaffected up here needed to be offered that was better than the hope Leave offered. As Luci pointed out, the politics of government and the politics of referendum are much of a muchness in some of these parts. Can't untangle them as easy as a set of headphones that have been in your pocket all day. The campaign should have been more about people like Jo Cox and less like that silly twat off the telly .

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