EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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Scottish referendum of 1978, I think. Scots voted to devolve, Westminster had quietly put in a caveat about turnout, so could ignore the result. Civil unrest didn't happen.

Most of Scotland is still conducting a dirty protest.

Ah, but from where does Parliament's sovereignty arise, if not the people?

The Queen.

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Yes

Who is a nailed on Brexiter ;)

Sounds undemocratic, let's leave this parliamentary sovereignty.

But, like the EU, also German... What's a true Brit to do!

You're telling me we won two world wars and one world cup, and it was all for nothing? I want my country back.

The creative arts in the UK are already being eroded by harsh visa restrictions for non-EU performers who want to come here to practice their craft.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2011/mar/21/home-secretary-visa-rules-arts

If these same rules get applied to EU performers (along with a decline in funding for the arts from the EU), then the whole arts industry will likely decline further. That is not going to help the job prospects of anyone in that industry.

I'm a pessimist and hopefully wrong on the potential for civil unrest, but it feels a bit like a powder keg. We're discussing several remote possibilities anyway.

It's not sunny enough for civil unrest. The English don't riot in the rain. (citation needed).

in the ThNRC poll (anti-clockwise to join the Europhile ride leader for In / clockwise for the change of an Out preference / train home for abstain), any of you lot attending!?

I question whether these things will happen regardless of in/out though, as budgets continue to squeeze. That's outside the referendum debate, though, maybe.

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Think further on than that:-

Leave wins - Cameron ousted, even nastier Tories take over, fueled by middle Englanders who 'want their country back', further cuts and possibly at least another 5 years+ of it from 2020 onwards.

Remain wins - Tories ripped apart internally, Labour rebuilds and manages not to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and takes over from 2020 and starts to undo the damage austerity has done?

Who knows.

I can't wait for all this to finish. It has given courage and reinforced the latent racism of a part of the population which unfortunately I can't avoid. If Out will win these people will take it like a personal victory... probably one of the very few that they can have... If Remain will win after a few pints and some sleep they will go back to hide their feelings and less idiocy will steam the air.

I guess people would argue, sincerely, it's "austerity caused by the last Labour gov't" * (as opposed to historical repetition). Still cyclical.

Deep down I fear the leave vote and for many of the valid arguments proposed here, but I think devil's advocate is important especially in a discussion based on assumption and weighing scales full of pessimism.

*citation needed, see below

How did the last labour government lead to austerity?

Sorry I missed the quote marks. It was anecdotal based on what I heard being shouted, along the lines of "Labour spent too much, built up a greater national debt, and didn't balance the books". Too much spending/borrowing, or something. Citation needed, but I am trying to work out if it was a politician or a publican who made the statement.

Surely both, but any blame on Labour for the financial crisis should be tied to deregulation rather than overspending.

Probably, it was a fuzzy memory, should have avoided mentioning without a source. Sorry!

It's a tired trope that doesn't need a source. Don't sweat it.

Woman at work thinks only the well educated should be allowed to vote.
She is voting leave.
Lol.

The current government have made a decision that the way to tackle the deficit is to impose austerity - a tactic which the IMF disagrees with, and has now been proved to be counter productive, as growth of the economy slows each time the cuts bite.

May sound counter-intuitive, but the way to get out of a deficit is to spend your way out.

Unless you hate the poor and your entire economic and political system requires that a pool of them is maintained.