EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I love that his opinion matters to more people than prominent economists.

People have had enough of 'experts' though.

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.125200809

BOOM!

I've never been a massive fan of the guy, but you cannot deny the incredible power and sway he holds.

And most important how much good he does with it.

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2016/06/21/half-of-leave-voters-believe-eu-referendum-will-be-rigged

How has this happened to society?

but all the beckham influenced enger-land fans are in europe currently
hope they took their postal votes with them so they can despatch it in between getting beaten up by the russians

I should note that what I mean by counting in this context is simply counting the numbers returned, and nothing to do with counting how many of those are in or out (or who has been voted for in a normal election).

The counting of in vs out is what happens on Thursday night.

Yep. According to Michael Gove they have anyway

both from the farmers who feel they're being threatened by unfair subsidies to mainland producers and are a bit racist

Don't the farmers get all their cash from EU subsidies? I would have thought they'd all be innies.

The Free Republic of London

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36526298

It's a fairly representative example of social acceptance models. Despite the far greater disparity in qualifications, talents, motivations and lifestyle, people will identify far better with celebrities/icons and role models than they will a political, social or economic expert.

A lot of this is down the subconcious perception of how people are making decisions. A lot of Beckham supporters will feel that, due to their social and educational status, they won't be able to understand what informs the experts. They feel excluded from that type of knowledge and informed decision making. However, the perception is that the likes of Beckham are making their decision on their feelings and emotional response to the issue and fans will have that connection of similarity.

You can mock it, but you've probably done the same thing yourself in previous situation.

The reality is that this issue is being decided by people who don't really know what they are voting for or against. They're voting on a gut feeling about what the EU is and what their choice would mean on a mainly binary good/bad basis. It's not surprising though. Both sides of the debate have avoided much in the way of concrete commitments and people mainly vote on definites.

Why are we honing in on Becks? Rio Ferdinand has also backed the remain campaign.

Went to Wetherspoons, saw the ridiculous coasters to persuade exit vote. I'm still on the fence, but I guess most people have no idea deep down why they do what they do at any given moment anyway, a referendum is doomed.

Far more recognition outside of football and, unlike Ferdinand, a pretty squeaky clean image.

Some complain about all the regulations which no doubt are a lot of work.

But it's a gamble yes, will you sell in other areas, what about subsidies...

You can't promise anything. I think that's why they avoid it.

Whatever happens, the only certainty is renegotiation of trade, and how that is done depends on the competency and how pissed off other countries are. I think it's a poor bet to go it alone, and an overestimation of what the UK is worth (sorry...)

UKIP can only fully do an immigration clampdown if the common market is left. But they don't hold a majority. So to promise this will backfire.
Labour would reallocate cash to the NSH but they have no power. So to promise this will backfire.
Conservatives, well I doubt they will clampdown so much as UKIP as it's bad for business. So to promise this will backfire for them internally due to business sponsors.

I am just looking at the clouds extrapolation nothing but shit as the preparations for renegotiation are piss poor and I don't expect a run to the left with all the xenophobia that surfaced. At least, not soon. And once the UK is out, the EU will most likely go "fuck you".

I could be wrong of course and Westminster could be on fire in a few months with heads on stakes outside the tower of London...

All countries do...

Fear leads to overriding logic leads to UKIP ;)

is it possible to embed iframes in here?
I'm trying to embed a poll in here to gather votes

I'm under the impression that there will be an overwhelming majority of contributors here that will be voting to remain.

Just start a list for Exit, and assume everyone else is Remain. Be aware that, given the popularity of a list round here, some Remainers may just jump on board out of force of habit.

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I'm most likely going to spoil my ballot, def won't be voting leave but...

This whole build up has been excruciating to watch. The argument basically reduced to immigration and and the monthly cost of EU membership. Why aren't people tackling other issues-

At the setup of the Euro currency there was all kinds of underhand stuff going on to ensure that Greece could join lead by France and Germany. That turned out well.. Lots of bad decisions and underhand activities from EU members which would be good fodder for the leave campaign.

What are the underhanded activities which they should be drawing attention to? Linkz plz.

Do you not watch Eurovision ? It's one big stitch up!

A lot of Beckham supporters will feel that, due to their social and educational status, they won't be able to understand what informs the experts. They feel excluded from that type of knowledge and informed decision making.

Fuck me, you sound like a right cunt.