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  • Brexit propaganda
    Nazi propaganda


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  • Fuck me, Farage is an utter cunt.

  • These are not good times, I genuinely do worry what will be left for my grandchildren, if I'm lucky enough to have grand kids.

  • RIP Jo Cox, what an awful waste. Absolutely sickening.

  • Perhaps people will remember all this next time they are about to repeat the lazy cliche that all MPs are the same and in it only for themselves.

  • The descriptions of how it unfolded are unbearable to read. It's partly, I suppose, because relatively few murders are committed in daylight and on the street like this, with so many witnesses as there apparently were in this case. Desperately sad.

  • Interesting that this article disappeared for a while then came back heavily edited.

    Personally I agreed with the original article and am slightly disappointed they toned it down.

  • White supremacist murders MP.

    Let's say it like it is.

  • Over the last few years I've been baffled and saddened by the hate dominating grassroots politics in the US. It really feels like we're sliding in that direction. I don't think I've ever felt less optimistic about the future of my country.

  • He has blood on his hands.

    The blood of a woman who was worth far more to humanity than he'll ever be worth, and who could achieve something he can't do, get elected as an MP.

  • Can someone photochop his arm 90 degrees forward and 10 degrees up. It'll show him for what he is.

  • Yes, I noticed that. Very heavily edited.

  • ^ Anyone got the original text saved? Would like to read and was too slow.

  • Events have a multiplier effect. And when they come in bunches the effect can be overpowering. This was already a sad and demeaning day, even before we heard the ghastly news a Labour MP, Jo Cox, had been murdered outside her constituency surgery in Yorkshire.

    Politics is, figuratively speaking, a contact sport. It is a hard business because it is an important business. It matters and it matters even more when the stakes are so very high. But just as class will out at the highest level in sport, when the stakes are the very greatest and everything seems to be on the line, so character reveals itself in politics too. Even, especially, when it really counts.

    A referendum is one of those moments when it counts. There is no do-over, no consoling thought in defeat that, at least, there’s always next season. No, defeat is permanent and for keeps. That’s why a referendum is so much uglier than a general election. The ‘wrong’ people often win an election but their victory is only – and always – temporary. There will be another day, another time. An election is a negotiation; a referendum is a judgement with no court of appeal. So character reveals itself. The poster unveiled by Nigel Farage this morning marked a new low, even for him.

    The mask – the pawky, gin o’clock, you know what I mean, mask – didn’t slip because there was no mask at all. BREAKING POINT, it screamed above a queue of dusky-hued refugees waiting to cross a border. The message was not very subtle: Vote Leave, Britain, or be over-run by brown people. Take control. Take back our country. You know what I mean, don’t you: If you want a Turk – or a Syrian – for a neighbour, vote Remain. Simple. Common sense. Innit?

    And then this afternoon, a 42 year old member of parliament, who happens – and this may prove to have been more than a coincidence – to have been an MP who lobbied for Britain to do more to assist the desperate people fleeing Syria’s charnel house, was shot and stabbed and murdered.

    Events have a multiplier effect.

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    It’s not Nigel Farage’s fault Jo Cox is dead. It’s not Boris Johnson’s fault either. Nor is it the fault of Michael Gove or Dan Hannan or anyone else campaigning for Britain to leave the European Union. Most of these people (there is a glaring exception), like most of the people who will vote Leave next week, are decent and honourable people making an argument they sincerely (there may be one exception to this, too) believe is in the best interests of the United Kingdom. They are not responsible for Jo Cox’s death. The murderer is the only person responsible for that.

    But if – as seems likely – the murderer had what are coyly referred to as ties to the far-right, if, as seems all too grimly probable, he was motivated by a hatred of what he felt Britain had become. If, as several witnesses have claimed, he shouted Britain First as he attacked Jo Cox, then it is reasonable – and necessary – to ask where he came from.

    We hope, because doing so offers a shred of comfort even in horrid moments, that he was just a ‘lone wolf’ or a lunatic acting alone. We hope so because hoping that makes it easier to say, once the shock has worn off, that this was a singular event of the sort that cannot be predicted. Sometimes terrible things happen.

    Well, so they do. But we know that even lone lunatics don’t live in a bubble. They are influenced by outside events. That’s why, when there is an act of Islamist terrorism, we quite rightly want to know if it was, implicitly or explicitly, encouraged by other actors. We do not believe – at least we should not – in collective guilt or punishment but we do want to know, with reason, whether an individual assassin was inspired by ideology or religion or hate-speech or any of a hundred other possible motivating factors. We do not hold all muslims accountable for the violence carried out in the name of their prophet but nor can we avoid the ugly, unpalatable, truth that, as far as the perpetrator is concerned, he (it is almost always he) is acting in the service of his view of his religion. He has a cause, no matter how warped it may be. And so we ask who influenced him? We ask, how did it come to this?

    So, no, Nigel Farage isn’t responsible for Jo Cox’s murder. And nor is the Leave campaign. But they are responsible for the manner in which they have pressed their argument. They weren’t to know something like this was going to happen, of course, and they will be just as shocked and horrified by it as anyone else.

    But, still. Look. When you encourage rage you cannot then feign surprise when people become enraged. You cannot turn around and say, ‘Mate, you weren’t supposed to take it so seriously. It’s just a game, just a ploy, a strategy for winning votes.’

    When you shout BREAKING POINT over and over again, you don’t get to be surprised when someone breaks. When you present politics as a matter of life and death, as a question of national survival, don’t be surprised if someone takes you at your word. You didn’t make them do it, no, but you didn’t do much to stop it either.

    Sometimes rhetoric has consequences. If you spend days, weeks, months, years telling people they are under threat, that their country has been stolen from them, that they have been betrayed and sold down the river, that their birthright has been pilfered, that their problem is they’re too slow to realise any of this is happening, that their problem is they’re not sufficiently mad as hell, then at some point, in some place, something or someone is going to snap. And then something terrible is going to happen.

    We can’t control the weather but, in politics, we can control the climate in which the weather happens. That’s on us, all of us, whatever side of any given argument we happen to be. Today, it feels like we’ve done something terrible to that climate.

    Sad doesn’t begin to cover it. This is worse, much worse, than just sad. This is a day of infamy, a day in which we should all feel angry and ashamed. Because if you don’t feel a little ashamed – if you don’t feel sick, right now, wherever you are reading this – then something’s gone wrong with you somewhere.

    Jo Cox was, by all accounts, a fine parliamentarian and a fine woman. She has been taken from her family and her constituents but her death strips something from all of us as well. I cannot recall ever feeling worse about this country and its politics than is the case right now.

    Events have a multiplier effect. So do feelings.

  • Someone might have it in their browser cache. I don't. This utility might help (on Chrome).

    http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/chrome_cache_view.html

  • Good post

    However the concept of the Overton window, which means that if a Politian states publicly a view that may once have been unstatable, leading to that view becoming legitimate, then the whole debate shifts. So Farage pointing the finger at immigrants being responsible for societal woes, rather than, say, the lack of investment by government in public services, than this view is now able to be restated and even more extreme racist views are deemed less racist.

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  • Yep, making it all sorta OK to be if not racist at least somewhat xenophobic...

  • I sometimes catch myself thinking crazy thoughts, please feel free to laugh at me, I know I do.

    When we look back at WW1 and WW2 and talk about how ordinary people voted in the Nazi party and went along with such horrible ideology I sometimes stop and wonder if I'm on the wrong side. Are we the idiots going along with the people who our children and grandchildren will look back and say were the demons and we welcomed them with loving arms?

    But then I see shit like this and I'm satisfied that I'm not going along with the demons.

  • It goes the other way too. On the face of it the idea that the EU is not a wholly worthy establishment, or that Britain's membership of it is not in the best interests of the nation is not in itself contentious. It was once the mainstream view of the Labour party after all. Yet successive politicians have for decades been pushing the idea that it is an extremist view, and that anyone who holds that view is racist, right-wing, deluded at best, dangerous at worst. It's no surprise really that after 40 years of such assertions, that it is mostly the racist nutters that are anti-EU.

  • Perhaps people will remember all this next time they are about to repeat the lazy cliche that all MPs are the same and in it only for themselves.

    I am fortunate not to be in the office today because I hear that lazy cliche a lot and with all the other thinly veiled bigotry poisoning the air I may finally be tipped over the line of acceptable behaviour and face further disciplinary action resulting in the loss of my job.

  • @andyp

    Well said sir. Where's that rep button again...

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