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  • Well, as long as we're agreed that SunTour were first and Shimano isn't much of an innovator either. If I'm going to continue to fight this corner, indexed shifting and STI shifters are just incremental improvements on the cabled groupset; Di2 is a cabled groupset too, with some admitted improvements. I've made the comparison before between CDs / Minidisk / MP3, which I think is quite apt. Minidisk was an improvement on CDs in a lot of ways, but it was quickly sidelined by the convenience of digital music.

    Wireless is a paradigm shift.

    p.s. I'm not half as much of a fanboy as I make out. I think wireless shifting is cool, but I've got Shimano and SRAM cable groupsets on my bikes, and it'll stay that way for a long old time I recon. I prefer SRAM shifting and hood shape, but I've used Campag and own Shimano without complaint. I enjoy the discussion if I'm honest.

  • "quickly sidelined by the convenience"

    Tell me more about having to change button cells in your shifters and only getting 1000k out of a derailler charge...

  • I have to go do stuff now, but this has been a very diverting difference of opinions :)

    p.s. I'd take a couple of ~£1 CR2032 cells over taking a drill to my frame every time.

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