• Yes God forbid everyone gets a decent pension, benefits,

    Right but who gets that and for how long. Anecdotally, our old postman in France retired at 55 with a full pension - that is clearly ridiculous. It seems even more so when France has a serious problem with youth unemployment. Money has to come from somewhere.

    The idea that the continent is some sort of utopia and we're living in a hell hole doesn't reflect reality.

  • Totally agree that the practical issues are immense and there's always been sniping in Europe anyway about difference in allocation/tax evasion in some countries etc.

    It's ultimately up to the implementation of this "superstate".

    See also the UK where in Northern Ireland abortion is as good as inaccessible while Westminster condems similar situations in other parts of the world and people dying of wrong atos assignments, getting benefits witheld while billions of tax remain legally unclaimed as laws are not amended.

    Even in the UK you see a split forming between Scotland and Westminster about where money comes from and how it is allocated to citizens.

  • It's ultimately up to the implementation of this "superstate".

    For me the biggest concern is whether Europe has the ability to tackle the current crisise, and maintain itself as a dominant force going forward.

    While I care about sovereignty, our political system is already so undemocratic it invalidates any concern about EU supremacy. Economically, I think we'll be fine either way long term, and I'm dubious how much difference there would be.

    I am hoping we stay and that gives a clear vote of confidence to other countries suffering the same isolationist wobbles.

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