• A question re new cycle lanes (that perhaps @Clockwise knows the answer to); Where cycle lanes come to signalled crossing points (as per E&C), what is their legal status, as far as being part of the highway, and therefore the rules? The other day, I was waiting at the lights to cross and, weirdly for E&C, there was no road traffic approaching, yet I was sat at a red light. Eventually I just went across, but was I breaking the law? As a cyclist at a crossing, is my status no different to a pedestrian who may similarly cross if they deem the road to be safe, despite the crossing signal saying 'no'?

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  • As a cyclist at a crossing

    [EDIT] I'm not sure what the crossing in question looks like, a google streeview pic or something similar would be useful if anyone can find one.

    AIUI, you're propelling a vehicle (which includes cycling) which differentiates you from just being a pedestrian.

    If you're propelling a vehicle then you must obey the relevant traffic signals with respect to stop lines. You can't just ignore them like you can as a pedestrian.

    Whether getting off a bike and pushing it constitutes 'propelling a vehicle' is not clear, but the expectation is that it would. The only way to test this is if it went to court. And before anyone quotes Crank vs Brooks, that case isn't relevant here.

    [EDIT] If this is crossing the road side-to-side on what would have been a toucan crossing (e.g. a green bike symbol), but it's a red signal, then I believe that's fine as you're not crossing a stop line on a red.

  • If you dismount you are a pedestrian and can do what you like. If you are cycling it's the same, it's sometimes ambiguously marked for cyclists but if it has a clear stop line or kerb where a stop line could be then that's that I'd think as the law broken when jumping the lights is "ignoring a traffic signal" which all the lights could be taken as. Also I'd think it depends if it's a cycle track parallel to a pedestrian crossing or a shared use pavement toucan crossing or a tiger pegasus pelican or other crossing.

    I noticed E+C going in from the south the cycle lane to the left that goes behind the bus stops fills from the ASL and has no stop line so you can just ride off the road into it.

  • A question re new cycle lanes (that perhaps @Clockwise knows the answer to); Where cycle lanes come to signalled crossing points (as per E&C), what is their legal status, as far as being part of the highway, and therefore the rules?

    It depends entirely on the traffic order that was created to govern their operation. The signing and lining should correctly enable users to act in accordance with that order (effectively communicate the order). Segregated cycle tracks ('lanes' in law, although we tend to use 'tracks' to distinguish them from unsegregated lanes) should formally be part of carriageways, although they don't operate according to the same rules as carriageways adjacent to them, especially not for two-way tracks. So, yes, if there's a red traffic light, you should stop and stay stopped until it goes green. (The level of non-compliance, which tends to be even higher around segregated cycle tracks than in other traffic situations, is one of the problems with them.)

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