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Well, they are kinda bendy to whatever shape. They are quite big for the advertised size; I've ordered some smaller ones. This is "16mm":
https://goo.gl/photos/NawqdNBXMp6E17bP8
I should have some 13mm and 10mm arriving in the next couple of days, so if you are not in a hurry I can let you know how they work out.
ChasnotRobert
that is a great link. lots of sizes. was hoping to take my bike somewhere and test a few before I buy but its looking unlikely.
were these a true p shape, not ones you have to bend to kinda make a p?