• You can test the leg rubbing also, I did a simple test with bubble wrap around seat tube and headtube and around again, with some tape to keep it in place while on the indoor trainer.

    Looking at the geometry chart, you'll loose 1,5cm of height and 1,3cm of lenght, but if you use some 750ml bottles instead of 1L you may get even more space since Camelbak 710ml bottles are 4,5cm shorter than 1L SIS ones. Anyway any storage space gained will be great to remove heavy objects (spares, phone, battery...) from the seatbag to avoid some wobbling when out of the saddle or in hairpin corners.

    I just left enough room for the bottles to be open without touching the bag, no mental adaptation required to get them in/out even going full gas in the 9th hour to make the 10h objective.

    Talking more about framebags... I was intrigued what could I store inside a rear triangle framebag like the one shown here between the seat stays and the seat tube... since my frame is so big, theres a nice space there. About the same size as a fuel pod but with a piramidal shape.

  • That set up looks like the most incredible faff to repack on your bike in the morning...

    That is the nice thing about ortlieb panniers, they take all of 3 seconds to click back onto your pannier rack

  • Bikepacking does seem to lose it a bit when you've basically created a full-on touring bike. Saying that, when I toured I just left my cheap panniers on the bike and had thick (bag for life) shopping bags containing separate stuff that I'd pull out when setting up camp.

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