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Provide photo evidence or you're just talking out of your pie hole.
Talking of black runs I tried the latest black run on the Wall at Afan. It is an actual black run not like the rest they have there where the grading system goes kind of "Oh, there's kind of a steep bit here with a rock or two. Grade it black."
Or, "Join up two red routes, call it W2 and reclassify it as a black. Because, double the distance."