Time Trial / Time Trialling / TT

Oh I hadn't seen that one, but maybe I could make it.

Yeah, H50/17 is at Kingston Bagpuize... nice and local for me.

There's another 50 on the Bentley course, new variant which should be faster.

What's that one called and when is it running? Enlighten us, mighty oracle of the course codes...

Have a look on the CTT site. 50s in London West, can't be that many.

There's also a P course 50 in July which is fast.

It's quicker to type this than load the site.

Your a P course.

it think its H50/8a but best to check..

Yes.
https://www.cyclingtimetrials.org.uk/race-details/12271

Bit close to TCR to bother with for me.

90 rider event is the open BBAR counter. The 30 rider event is BDCA member clubs only. Not BBAR.

Cheers, unlikely to get a ride then.

I'd have thought saying you'd be a reserve with that time would get you pretty high on the reserves list, and given the propensity of the some of the fast guys to display pre Madonna tendencies theres a good chance you'll get a ride

Count yourself lucky! We have one quick course in Kent and local District rules mean it's an early start so everyone can get off the road. I'm #87 this Saturday but still off early doors at 7:27. And it's only used for one open per year.

I feel for the first rider off, despite being seeded and effectively the 20th quickest rider on LTS, he's got a horrible 6:15 start time.

H10/4(?)

H10/2

If you find yourself on the H10/4 while trying to ride the H25/2, you've gone a long way off course, but at least you'll be on familiar roads.

given the propensity of the some of the fast guys to display pre Madonna tendencies

Not sure what those are. Maybe female pop singers who don't feel the need to be porn stars too? Or maybe I'm just being a prima donna...

Hence the question mark.

First TT of the season at Hillingdon last night. Cold and windy, and power well down. Can only get better!

closed on 1:53 last year, 1:57 the year before.

Do the national events have automatic timing yet?
When are we going to see it.

When it's been proven to be reliable - but who knows when that will be.

We use it in our club 10s at Hillingdon, which works well as we can run a line across the road. Manual timing of it, with 50 riders doing 11 laps, would be very hard.
We've had a handful of failed passes in 5 years, so it's proven to work at least as well as a manual TK. But you couldn't run a line across a public road, and I don't think the ones with detection at the side are as reliable.

The system is expensive. CTT could afford it but lots of clubs would struggle: transponders are about £90 each and there's a cost for the box and software too.

Yes, that would be impossible at hillingdon manually.

I do wonder about the margins of error though. When events come down to seconds.

Expense is a good point, hence just referencing to national. Would be good to see something coming in, electronic time keeping wise.

Your power might. Hillingdon will always stay cold and windy :)

If everyone is timed by the same person the error margin should be pretty similar. Whereas a failure of the electronic timing might mean DNF (unless there's human backup) rather than minute error in time. Just make sure you win by minutes rather than seconds if it bothers you..

With a few hundred thousand in the bank, you think CTT could invest.

As Frank said, I didn't think it was legal on public roads so that means it's only useful in the very few closed-circuit races that happen each year.

With a few hundred thousand in the bank, you think CTT could invest

Why? It achieves precisely nothing, because it still needs a time keeper to do a manual back up. We time to whole seconds, so there's no call for greater precision. Transponder timing is a solution in search of a problem which time trialling simply doesn't have.

You're right, still need a manual time keeper. However in 10 years from now, will it still be manual? I'd doubt it. So it's a case of when and how it'll be phased in. It might be measured to seconds, but when people are chasing small advantages, it could become hundredths of a second. We're not world time trial racers, but that's times to thousands of a second iirc.