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Weight of the frames doesn't matter unless you're gonna do some CX style shoulder carrying every five minutes or so.
You wanna something that felt stable in the long run, don't go full rack/panniers, go half/half (bikepacking + small panniers), give you a bit of advantage and massive weight reduction while still being able to carry a lots.
Bikepacking alone removed nearly 2kg worth of panniers and rack (unladen).
edscoble-
I just can't get on board with weight not mattering at all. Why would people be careful not to pack too much and go minimalist if it doesn't. It's difficult to put enough stress on the fact that I am always compromising, and weight is 3rd in the list after price and functionality, if I am choosing between similarly priced similarly functional bikes and one is much lighter then I will choose that one.
The main thing I have against bikepacking stuff is I don't own it yet, whereas I do own decent ortlieb panniers, which have been completely flawless for me. I see no reason to change them for anything when that means further expense, and from what I can see a bit more faff. Also they mostly seem to use velcro, which is a rip-off.
Tababa
I couldn't find a listed weight either, but I would guess frame and fork might be as much as 800g lighter based on the material, I could easily be wrong. 800g is and isn't a lot, if the functionality and price is much the same then it is quite a lot to me. I've cut weight off all my camping gear and climbing gear over the years and in the end the little savings make a big difference, in those terms 800g is huge. But as mentioned before price and functionality come first.