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How off-road? Any reason for panniers over a bikepacking-style set up? The latter keeps the bike fun to ride on the more technical stuff...
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Not frameset only and might be hard to find one second hand but this thing with rear rack, scoble style fat mudguards and less knobbly tyres?
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Salsa Vaya? There was a chap over on YACF selling a frameset for 150.
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@Tababa
Hello functional experts. I am looking at building myself an adventure type bike, one I can use off-road for weekend excursions in the Peak and Scotland, but also for some mostly road, long distance touring of several months in europe. Key requirement is to be cheap and solid really, was thinking maybe an Inbred 29er and getting a fork with rack mounts from surly or somewhere, drawbacks being a new inbred is not THAT cheap for what it is, and with surly fork it would weigh a metric ton.
Another option is a possibly quite cheap second hand Genesis fortitude adventure frameset. Looks nice and 725 tubes should cut the weight slightly. the main thing I am worried about is the 69.5 head angle, when loaded on the front (probably lowrider with panniers) would it have horrible handling and I'd be totally unable to ever take my hands of the bars etc? Also I would need to get an alfine 11 for it or something but I am quite excited by that idea.
I don't really have a budget, more looking for value for what I do spend, usually I am pretty keen to buy second hand, and would prefer frame or frameset only as I have a big parts bin. What else should I be looking at?