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  • For what reason would Ventoso (and Maes) talk bullshit?

    Scaredy cat Europeans

  • I thought Maes had released a statement saying he wasn't sure it was discs that got him?

  • oh wait, Movistar & Lotto Soudal are on Campagnolo...

    but seriously, if the majority of the pros should prove to be against it, it would be ridiculous to allow them.

  • Ettix classics season being saved(ish) by their two of their newest recruits - Vakoč & Kittel. Vakoč has taken 3 wins already this season.

  • Manufacturers have a lot of sway though. More than the riders. If teams want to run discs because 'sales' and pros don't want to ride them, you know what happens... contracts don't get renewed, someone else gets a ride who doesn't mind discs, etc.

  • If there's a growing divergence between professional cycle racing and consumer's use of bicycles, manufacturers will feel less inclined to sponsor teams and in the long term, is likely to negatively affect competitive cycle racing. Would suggest UCI should look more closely before it leaps, there are likely to be accidents but don't believe we have enough evidence to pass judgement on discs.

  • "Patrick Lefevere insists it won’t be with his team if the Slovak’s salary demands are high."

    um yea, that's not going to happen then. world champion who's won Ronde, probably should be cheap right?

  • Your point?

  • Price 'range'.

    He's hardly going to sign up for a sausage in bread and a pat on the back but if he's asking for the world they'll tell him to bugger off. Cue: negotiations.

  • There are lots of similar riders out of contract at the end of this year; Degenkolb, Kristoff, Van Avermaet, Matthews, even Vanmarcke (although he's not exactly a serial winner). It could be a buyer's market.

  • I'm not sure I can remember reading about a pro rider who actually wants discs. I've heard a lot of them saying they don't.
    It's a separate issue from the motos - it's really easy to take discs out, it's not so easy to do something about the motos. It's very definitely worth listening to the Cycling Podcast that was made post-Ghent Wevelghem. A lot of balance, facts, opinions and analysis as always... but the long and the short of it is that it's a complex thing to fix.

  • Yeah, so Sagan will be worth a lot but there's a lot of quality riders out who can do the business for the sponsors too.

  • I think both issues should be viewed separately, I don't see how one affects the other. It always felt to me that disc brakes were superfluous to pro-cycling. The teams, mechanics and riders never seem to have wanted them, it was more something foisted on them from above. If something was likely to give a performance advantage the teams would be quick to jump on them, but correct me if I'm wrong no World Tour teams have used them, only pro-conti and no doubt mainly at the behest of the sponsors.

    Motorbikes are a completely separate matter, and a more complex ones as the UCI have to work with the race organisers to do something about and establish a set of regulations. Disc brakes is something they could move on fast and simply suspend them and remove any additional risk. I don't get why this is a contentious issue, no-one was really using them, they made it difficult for the neutral service cars and mechanics and the riders don't seem to want them either. Round peg square hole comes to mind l.

  • The teams, mechanics and riders never seem to have wanted them, it was more something foisted on them from above

    The teams aren't made to use discs, they are simply allowed to use them in races during this trial period.
    If none of the teams wanted them, you'd not see them. Since you're seeing them, some teams clearly do want to test discs.

  • Lampre-Merida were all on discs for P-R, weren't they?

  • I agree with all of @Jimmy_Fingers points. Really don't understand the victim blaming here either.

  • By from above I mean sponsors, specifically the bike companies supplying the kit. They want pro-riders so they can sell the systems off the back of them. If the teams wanted them they'd all be using them. I mean look how tech-savvy Sky is, with all their marginal gains, secret squirrel bollocks. If they thought using disc brakes was advantageous they'd be all over them.

  • The UCI have been luddites for too long. There is no other sector where they've moved to hydraulic disc brakes then gone back, as the performance is superior to existing braking systems. The manufacturers, who pay a lot of money to get teams on their bikes, want it, and consumers appear to want it too (take cx as an example, discs are used sparingly by the pros, but at a local league level the majority of riders are now on discs). Ultimately pros will have to adopt them, so the CPA (which is toothless) should either engage constructively or pipe down.

    Ventoso's injury was nasty but there is only his word that it was caused by a disc and even then he doesn't know for certain. Given the description of the incident and the location of the injury, it could've been caused by something else. If rider safety is key, and it bloody well should be, then I'd expect the UCI to look at everything related to it, rather than making a knee jerk reaction to some negative publicity. That was how McQuaid and Verbruggen operated, some of us were hoping for a more considered approach from the Cookson regime.

  • Clipless pedals - how long did it take the peloton to move to them? Two years? Four years?

    Kelly was still using straps in 1994, 10 years after clipless was released...

    https://blog.performancebike.com/2010/05/13/flashback-friday-1987-pedals-2-0/

  • Which sorta proves the point since Sky aren't using them. Ironic too that Hayman won on a bog-standard machine while had those 'special' soft-tail Dogmas

  • Sky haven't won any Classics. In fact the whole team crashed on one corner in P-R.

    Maybe they should've used discs?

    As for Hayman's bike, it was their aero road bike so hardly bog standard.

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