Cannondale Aficionados / Owners

47 according to google images

Irritatingly my lockring tool doesn't have the driver socket on it, so I just do it up to '60kg weakling' tight

edit: lol wut

Only if you're going slowly.

Do Hollowgram cranks come with the crank extractor tool?

Don't be ridiculous - once they are on they are on.

If they don't suit I need to fuck them off. Or more likely, if I forget some part of the BB or some shit and I need to fit them again. Basically I can't tell what to order. Different length axles, bottom bracket choice, tools, etc.

Like, what the fuck are all these parts?!

https://www.bike24.de/1.php?content=8;product=29119;menu=1000,4,23

That's the old, complete 104mm bottom bracket

Both Neil and I have the extractors.

Just think yourself lucky you don't have one of their mountain bikes

With hollowgram cranks

What do you mean old? If I buy these cranks do I need that as well or not?

They also do 104mm axle without the bearings and washers but I don't know if the crankset includes the bearings and washers
https://www.bike24.de/1.php?content=8;product=130160

FYI from Cannondale Experts:

To clarify: Listed in order of generation.
Hollowgram SL- (Oldest) Used 104mm spindle bottom bracket. Never produced in 165mm or at least never sold aftermarket.
Hollowgram SiSL- (Reduced weight of SL but same 104mm BB and shape) Never sold aftermarket in 165mm.
Hollowgram Si (Newest)- Forged rather than CNC machined construction. Uses 109mm spindle. Crank arms are have different shape to maintain q-factor while chainline moves outboard by 2.5mm. This was made in 165mm. Cannot be purchased aftermarket. Only available on complete bicycles.
Hollowgram SiSL2 (Newest)- CNC machine construction. Uses 109mm spindle. Crank arms are have different shape to maintain q-factor while chainline moves outboard by 2.5mm. This was made in 165mm length and we have this in stock for purchase.

If you use a 109mm spindle on an SL or SiSL crank the q-factor increases by 5mm. If you use the 104mm spindle on Si or SiSL2 cranks you reduce the q-factor by 5mm and chainline by 2.5mm. This may not fit on your frame without contacting the chainstays. You would have to verify you have the clearance.

Lel

Does the caad8 takes sks'? I know they can have the PDWs

Anyone know where I can get a silver cannondale cone headset cover thing?

That's pretty much what we've been saying, except:

• Oldest Hollowgram was Hollowgram Si, not SL. There was no 'Hollowgram SL'.
  
• The Si chainset is available aftermarket, but he might mean the 165mm Si chainset is an exception and cannot be bought aftermarket.
  
• there are two versions of the new Si chainset - the Hollowforged (then machined) version and the forged version. The later looks completely different to all other Si cranks, and is basically a plain old forged pair of crankarms that happens to fit the Si axle.
  
  

Oldest Hollowgram was Hollowgram Si, not SL. There was no 'Hollowgram SL'.

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http://www.cannondale.com/~/media/Files/PDF/Dorel/Cannondale/Common/Support/Accessories/2008_hollowgram_sl_crank_owners_manual_supplement_en.ashx

Si is available aftermarket in 165mm because I've just ordered it but maybe they meant in the US?

I was less interested in crank versions and more interested in q-factor and chainline and if there were compatibility issues with axles and cranks. When they say you can't use 104mm with SiSL2 they don't mean that, they just mean it might be too narrow for your frame I think.

cannondale.com/~/media/Files/­PDF/Dorel/Cannondale/Common/Support/Acce­ssories/2008_hollowgram_sl_crank_owners_­manual_supplement_en.ashx

They use 'SL' to refer to the SiSL crank arms, but that's a lazy shorthand. Cannondale Experts are using 'SL' to refer erroneously to the original Si crank :)

When they say you can't use 104mm with SiSL2 they don't mean that, they just mean it might be too narrow for your frame I think.

Yep, you can bolt it all on, but the arms might foul the chainstays and the spider is moved inboard by 2.5mm.

That said I think there's a tonne of clearance on my CAAD10 with the standard SiSL2 setup.

Found some regular compact rings for my SiSl cranks for £50 beans, not the spider version unfortunately but hey ho.

a) is it worth buying the tools or just go to LBS

b) does anyone have any they want to sell

c) does anyone want to buy a used 53/39 spider set?

Yep, you can bolt it all on, but the arms might foul the chainstays and the spider is moved inboard by 2.5mm.

This is why I've got both axles incoming. If it doesn't work I can sell it on or something.
Clearance is one thing not sure how much of an issue the chainline change will be. I need a bigger chainring as it is so if I go for a 58T rather than a 56T I'll be in the middle of the block more often anyway.

I bet the 104 doesn't fit... :)

58T - I love it. Assume the P2m is 130bcd?

Bro, do I look like a Compact crankset user? ;)

I've got a couple of variations on the 104mm theme - with varying amounts of the shoulder machined back, might help if you need to move the crank L/R to avoid the chainstay/get clearance for the monster ring.

a) is it worth buying the tools or just go to LBS

Unlikely they'll have them unless they are a keen 'dale dealership. They aren't that expensive and quite useful so I'd pick up the lock-ring tool and the extractors. The fees and LBS will charge you - if they do charge you - will be about the same as at least one of the tools.

If they have them and don't charge you then happy days.

Cheers for the info Howard.

Had a wee search online and tools are coming up at £60 all-in. Prohibitive for a man of my modest means so damn you proprietary tool makers...

I'm not likely to need to use them very often so will have a scout about for a loan from someone local and then see where I'm at with regards to buying/finding a sympathetic shop I think.

Are you Bob Jungels?