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Ha excellent, I think your image has put it better than I could at this time. If in any way there is a choice I'll take the top one, sound. These are one of the 3 reasons I thought I would post after so long. next stop- anti porn.

Snap! I've just got a second hand space horse (CP thread here). I went with black finishing kit (because I had it) and silver mechs (because I had them) and it looks good. Current red bar tape (leftover) is goign to be replaced with black as and when. You can see mine if you want to see longboards. Watch out for stiffening up the front too much with a big rack.

Edit: ah, the blackburn outpost fits to the brake bosses so it might not be as bad as my soma porteur. Try and borrow one first to try it before you shell out and find it isn't what you want! The Surly Nice rack mounts similarly and @edscoble (?) found it stiffened his fork a lot.

Thanks

guyz. anyone haz a 12cm os black ahead stem -17degr f/s? would be splendid.
the beater the better

130mm no good?

EDIT
Actually it might be 120mm: let me check.

Nice job, I like both yours and @Verbs_&_Nouns space horses. This frame looks a lot nicer in the light blue rather than the current racing green. I'd been getting inspiration for it from the builds on radavist which are all silver/leather combos but it's easy to make it look a bit twee. black's winning me over for now although I still think some fat gumwalls will look pretty good.

the spring is almost here, time for some <45mm tyres

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It happened to me too.

It's a "known issue" but only if you've googled the lfgss threads on it...manufacturers and sellers don't seem to know.

the Token BB won't play well with a Sugino 75, the crank sits way out.

Perhaps it works fine on other cranks. I put my SG75 on an NOS Ritchey Superlogic and it fits fine.

So there's something not quite ISO about the Token spindle...

there's something not quite ISO about the Token spindle...

Or there's something not quite ISO about your cranks :-)

I've got a spare Token BB and a micrometer within arm's reach, I'll take a measurement.

Notwithstanding whatever results, square taper is a shit system precisely because small tolerances on the axle and crank broaching (and for that matter on the assembly conditions, you could easily have twice as much bolt preload for a given torque just by changing the thread lubrication) yield large errors on the chainline/Q factor.

Or all them are wrong, token bb, sugino crank, ritchey BB ;)

But as the ritchey BB is sugino made its either their sort of error or the machining on the tokens is a bit meh.

or the machining on the tokens is a bit meh.

I've seen some horrible BB axles, Token are not among them

On my sample of one 103mm JIS axle, across-flats gauged at 12.750mm are all at least 50.5mm off centre, which would make the worst case nominal length about 103.9mm (the point at which the across flats dimension would the the JIS nominal 12.65mm if the axle actually extended that far). It's a bit big, but well within the range which could be swamped by variations in assembly.

Leather saddle I can get with (although the tan won't look good if there's black on the bike) - I have a Team Pro and it's perfect for what I want. Totally agree about the blue/white colour scheme, the BRG is a great colour but doesn't work with the white highlights.

those forks don't suit that frame. sell to me.

be prepared to have your eyes shaken from your skull.

My koga made the RHP and Orlowski seems like wet noodles

My koga made the RHP and Orlowski seems like wet noodles

My Look 464 made the Koga seem a bit soft

fair play, i think the 76º ST angle also had something to do with the brutalness

Could that explain nearly 4mm sitting out?

I've mine here I only have a basic caliper to measure but if you send me how to measure I'll do it and post results :)

Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm just willing myself to think it works. Kinda like "I've hung onto these forks for so long I just got to use them for something."

@umop3pisdn @mdcc_tester @JWestland I bought the advertised-as-ISO (under details, right of description) Token/Tifosi "111mm" - http://www.wiggle.co.uk/tifosi-campagnolo-fit-bottom-bracket/?sku=5360447379

Firstly, none of the tick-boxes are for 111mm on the BB itself, and secondly my shit-ancient metal caliper measures no size close to those on Sheldon Brown's (or elsewhere) for the width at fattest or thinnest end. I don't have another ISO square taper to measure, or I'd be using it.

There is a consistent corrosion/dirt mark from the original ISO axle that had been used by the previous owner, on this set of Campag Mirage cranks. I can see exactly how deep an axle could sit, and has been.

In layman's, I tested the crank on a JIS to see how bad it would be, in a store locally; the spindle/axle entered the crank at a maximum halfway, roughly 4mm from the old axle dirt mark extremity, ie the standard-understood 4mm JIS/ISO incompatibility distance.

When placing a crank on the Tifosi/Token BB's axle, it stops at roughly the same point, by my eyes the same halfway depth of the JIS BB.

So, known issue or otherwise, now I know.

Could that explain nearly 4mm sitting out?

No, mine is less than 0.5mm per side over the nominal length, so that's how far out the chainline/Q-factor would be.

I've mine here I only have a basic caliper to measure but if you send me how to measure I'll do it and post results :)

For an ISO spindle, the measurement should be 12.60mm across the flats measured 2mm inboard of the axle end (according to Sheldon Brown). You should be well onto the flats by then, I had to do some maths because my axle is short and chamfered too, and the JIS measurement is supposed to be 12.65mm at the very tip; at 51.5mm off centre on my "103mm" axle, I'd have been measuring air.

With these metal calipers I'm getting over 13mm at the extreme of axle end, 13.1mm by the 2mm inboard of axle end, it's greater than 14mm by the fat bit.