Moving out of London

Can recommend Cardiff. Lived here on and off (3 year break travelling and living in Cornwall) since 2002 and its awesome. Low cost of living, property currently cheapish, although rising, very low rent compared to London or anywhere in the South East. Cycling in the city is awesome as its so flat. Brecon Beacons are 40 minutes away, amazing beaches 30 mins away, 2 hours from London and you can get out of the city to villages in 20 mins. Much investment and much movement from large businesses here as land is so cheap to buy up and build offices - generally things seem to be changing for the better since I've lived here. Welsh people are nice too.

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Problem is, it's full of Welsh people

I've never found that a problem.

I lived there for a year. My sister lives there.
It's a brilliant place. I'd live there again happily.

Don't know when you were last there but Sydney seems to be full of wankers now, it reminded me of a cross between Fulham and Canary Wharf...

Shame, beautiful place...

Was in Sydney last week and can confirm this is very much still the case. It is a beautiful place though.

I'd seriously consider moving to Melbourne though once London has run it's course.

Everyone says 'London has changed' but its always in transition. If it didn't change it'd be awful.

Training ride to Norwich: Brick
Best pizza I've had outside Italy. I had one for lunch today actually :)

90 miles each way. Seems like a legit double century mid way stop.
Place to leave bike? No lock.

And that's exaclty the kind of place I need to find around here. Used to have bravi ragazzi on my doorstep.

Riding to Norwich is something I'd like to do again. Did it once after Dunwich Dynamo, but I'd like to do it straight A-to-B at some point.

Not safe to leave a bike unlocked in the city centre but I could arrange a place for it to go or lend you a lock if needed.

@Sparky That's the plan for the DD this year unless I can bag a lift somehow. Nice double century.

Ride to London to start? Or have you moved to London now? When I did London > Dunwich > Norwich it was "only" 155 miles.

London > Dunwich > London if you are keen @Sparky ;)

Not moved to London (I'd only have to move back again according to this thread). KM not miles :)

Meant more leave it outside shop while I order and eat.

Yeah, you'd probably be ok with that. There are railings to lean it against near one of their windows.

Melbourne house and rental prices are boker, too. But at least the cycling is better than in Sydney. They're not on the same planet in NSW, with all the recent legislation changes.

My place of work allows those who live a distance away to work in the office Tuesday to Thursday, working from home on the Monday and Friday.

That does present the possibility of using one of the cheap (~£30 a ticket) airlines to fly in Tuesday morning, stay Tuesday and Wednesday night and then fly out Thursday.

For e.g. Norwegian would charge £33 on the Arlanda-Gatwick, and then £49 on the Gatwick-Arlanda, so once you add trains at either end you're looking at under a ton, so call it £400 per month to commute. From Stockholm to London.

Your carbon footprint would be enormous.

I'm mainly steel these days.

Sydney and Melbourne are just as unaffordable for houses as London., if not more so. Auckland too. Peeps are doing the same thing moving to Adelaide, newcastle, Tauranga, even Ballarat.

Auckland's completely unaffordable and also a pretty soulless place. It's like Reading but really humid.
Now Dunedin, that's cheap. My friend just bought a 3 bed house for 60K sterling. My other mate is a bike mechanic, his wife's a nursery teacher, and last year they bought a brick-built 4-bed house, double garage, nice garden, for 110K sterling.
I could go out and buy a family home tomorrow, cash. But we're moving back to the UK. Cheap houses and mountains aren't everything in life.

Clearly everyone should move to Burnley http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35842488

Can't understand the language they speak there.

I left London last year and moved to Cambridge.

1. Pros: took 10 mins to cycle to the countryside, took less than 10 mins to cycle (in the other direction) to work, everyone rides bikes, very pretty, lots going on culturally, great pubs, outdoor lido, pissing about on boats, cows wandering about in the city, lots of great people.
   
2. Cons: small job market in my field so if you discover that your job is awful then you're fucked, loads of tourists, some really weird people, very small world.
   
   

I lasted 6 months and moved back to London. It's really unsustainable as all the jobs I can do are in london but staying here permanently isn't an option.
My boyfriend is keen to move to Manchester at some point - he's from the north, but one of the shitty racist towns. I like the north and all but I don't really fit in. I'm keen to move to Scandinavia - if we're going to go north then why not go really north. Though I still don't know what I would do for a job.

Even Adelaide is not cheap anymore, if my wife hadn't bought our house in her 20s, we'd be mortgaged to the hilt. Income is like 15 to 20 percent less than Sydney or Melbourne in a comparable ut role, and the same goes for house prices ish.