• goes to 80mm too so not even uncomfortable!

    There is nothing uncomfortable about a stem longer dan 80mm. Almost everybody rides a stem longer than 80mm and isn't 'uncomfortable'. Wether your bike is set up/fitted correctly (partly) determines how comfortable it is.

    Also, HHSB law prescribes for extra slave points you need at least 120/130mm of stem.

  • comfort is the wrong word - i meant practical, mega short stems can lead to twitchy handling. anyway, comfort and handling can get fucked compared to visual hipster-points surely?

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