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  • I had a bike with 10spd Ultratorque Veloce (before it got stolen), great groupset.
    It's rubbish that they keep Ultratorque for Chorus upwards now, that Powertorque system is awful.

    Shimano are really good at trickle down from their high-end groupsets - the new Sora looks like Dura-Ace from a few years back. Campagnolo on the other hand seem to either trickle stuff up to their high-end groupsets, or purposely nerf the low/mid range to make their high end more attractive.

  • The new Sora should in theory feel like the Tiagra 4700 shifter rather than the wet and murky shifting feel of the current Sora, it's a very good move by Shimano as the newer levers have a different cable pull that'll work better with disc brakes.

    This mean that they can get away with normal Shimano housing for a decent feel.

    Only thing left is to move the Claris shift design to the 7 speed one.

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