• you must simply do it usually to; get to work, buy food etc in asda and take it home, move stuff around thats too big to carry, move people, go places, do stuff in general.

    'usually'? OK here's my list:

    Work: cycle (occasionally cycle>train>cycle)

    Food in Smaller amounts: Carry local purchases on foot. Less local: Bike.
    Larger amounts/long distance: Van delivering things (supermarket things and vegetable things) (no need why that has to be carbon fuel but it mostly is)
    Bread etc delivered by local baker by bike.

    Move stuff around that's big: delivery van (no need why that has to be carbon fuel but it mostly is - I'd like to choose what kind of vehicle retailers use but I don't get that choice)

    Move People (i.e. my family): walk, tube/train, car, bus, cycle - in order of commonality.

    Go places/do stuff:
    Local: cycle, walk or quick hops on public transport
    Middle/longer distance: Mostly car, or train (i.e. Holidays, visit family/inlaws and middle distance for long walks).

    There's almost NONE of that that I absolutely couldn't manage without a car, and I very often do ignore my car and do it some other way. However for certain regular inlaws/family and going somewhere 'exotic' like Wales, it's the car. Main use is for holidays.

    So I guess what I'm saying is you can actually own a car and realise it's almost redundant. In my case, not quite.

    I think a Cargo Bike would reduce a few of my carbon fuel journeys.

  • i perhaps should have been a little clearer. those of us who dont live in london. absolutely crazy to think that a world exists outside london i know, but all of that you listed just does not exist here and i dont exactly live in Timbuktu. that all reads as very la dee da to be honest, not just matey boy bread bike.

    i do use a train occasionally but have to drive to get to the station. i could live without a car but would be very cut off and making my life very difficult unnecessarily and i know it would be the case for lots of others too.

  • ... very la dee da to be honest, not just matey boy bread bike.

    Hiya, thanks for your sparkling repartee. Yep, I live in London.

    I live here cos it's better than Tossforth in Middle Englandshire where I grew up. It was (and still is) full of bored right wing football teds with chips on their shoulders who liked fingering their cars more than their girlfriends, who couldn't fucking HANDLE it when somebody in their pub was wearing the Wrong Trousers. Sound familiar? I couldn't wait to leave. Plus all the jobs there were dull as. I would have ended up on nutty drugs if I stayed. No question.

    La-de-da? well if you say so (not that you know me right?), but I don't think so, I just don't ever remember not wanting to be in London. Or at least another city that's a good place to live. I'm a pretty average person, not too posh or hip or whatever, just someone that hates the way cars dominate space and air and sound in cities.

    'Matey boy bread bike' is a living for a few people, women as well as men, and I rate them for getting off their arses and making something into a decent small business.

    I've found that driving is way cheaper than public transport (esp trains) so I can totally understand why, especially in rural places and deep suburbia, driving is really 'the only' option for most people. Like where I grew up, where No One cycles except children round their estate.

    Now stop being a troll and use some Capital Letters.

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