• you must simply do it usually to; get to work, buy food etc in asda and take it home, move stuff around thats too big to carry, move people, go places, do stuff in general. i couldnt really do any of that without a car, despite riding bikes all the time. cars dont typically weigh 2000kg btw, and they are a lot of fun.

  • you must simply do it usually to; get to work, buy food etc in asda and take it home, move stuff around thats too big to carry, move people, go places, do stuff in general.

    'usually'? OK here's my list:

    Work: cycle (occasionally cycle>train>cycle)

    Food in Smaller amounts: Carry local purchases on foot. Less local: Bike.
    Larger amounts/long distance: Van delivering things (supermarket things and vegetable things) (no need why that has to be carbon fuel but it mostly is)
    Bread etc delivered by local baker by bike.

    Move stuff around that's big: delivery van (no need why that has to be carbon fuel but it mostly is - I'd like to choose what kind of vehicle retailers use but I don't get that choice)

    Move People (i.e. my family): walk, tube/train, car, bus, cycle - in order of commonality.

    Go places/do stuff:
    Local: cycle, walk or quick hops on public transport
    Middle/longer distance: Mostly car, or train (i.e. Holidays, visit family/inlaws and middle distance for long walks).

    There's almost NONE of that that I absolutely couldn't manage without a car, and I very often do ignore my car and do it some other way. However for certain regular inlaws/family and going somewhere 'exotic' like Wales, it's the car. Main use is for holidays.

    So I guess what I'm saying is you can actually own a car and realise it's almost redundant. In my case, not quite.

    I think a Cargo Bike would reduce a few of my carbon fuel journeys.

  • i perhaps should have been a little clearer. those of us who dont live in london. absolutely crazy to think that a world exists outside london i know, but all of that you listed just does not exist here and i dont exactly live in Timbuktu. that all reads as very la dee da to be honest, not just matey boy bread bike.

    i do use a train occasionally but have to drive to get to the station. i could live without a car but would be very cut off and making my life very difficult unnecessarily and i know it would be the case for lots of others too.

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