The second prove once rolled out into balls seems important as the skin you get helps keep the "pocket" shape when you flatten and fold them.
The second prove was the one where I saw very little rise - Which suggests that the yeast had exhausted itself (if my recollection is correct).
Experimenting is good though.
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The second prove once rolled out into balls seems important as the skin you get helps keep the "pocket" shape when you flatten and fold them.