EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I don't buy the change the system from within. We're not really in are we? We've said no to shengen and we're saying no to currency, but yes to some movement and yes to all the trade pls.

We'll be like the person at the workshop who is there and throws in snippy comments from time to time, not really engaging and not thinking about the effect our actions are having on the people we represent.

I might need a lie down.

in - I hate INF3 forms and filling out commercial invoices

Camermoron

If we must do this, surely Camoron works better?

Spot on.

Cama cama cama cama cama camermoron

To stay or go

To stay or go

ago go

Consider my piss boiled. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35624409
If IDS wants out, I'm glad to vote in. Jokes that he cares about vulnerability.

A view from Germany:

"The current EU is a battered cruise ship navigating perilous seas, full of treacherous ice bergs like the Euro, Russia, debt crisis, refugees, Greece. Britain is a passenger loudly complaining about the poor choice of desserts in the first-class ballroom restaurant".

(derspiegel.de)

The rich will continue to do what they want, live without borders, law or control whilst they harvest the souls of the poor to attain more wealth.

I've changed my mind, but only if I'm rich.

Mmm.. soul harvesting..

sends missus off to get GB passport

It will be an incredibly slow, legislation-ridden exit. It will take us around 20 years to get out fully. The only people who will benefit will be the lawyers.

Look at the people who want out:

1. Boris has made a political career decision.
   
2. Gove - say no more.
   
3. IDS is a terminal loser.
   
4. Nigel Farage couldn't win a seat in Westminster.
   
5. George Galloway will jump on to any bandwagon.
   
   

All of which pretty much sum up why I'd be inclined to remain in...

A view from Germany:

"The current EU is a battered cruise ship navigating perilous seas, full of treacherous ice bergs like the Euro, Russia, debt crisis, refugees, Greece. Britain is a passenger loudly complaining about the poor choice of desserts in the first-class ballroom restaurant".

(derspiegel.de)

This is superb.

tony benn
"My view of the EU has always been not that I am hostile to foreigners but I am in favour of democracy. I think they are building an empire and want us to be part of that empire, and I don't want that." On leaving the European Community:
"When I saw how the European Union was developing, it was very obvious what they had in mind was not democratic. In Britain, you vote for a government so the government has to listen to you, and if you don't like it you can change it."On democracy in Europe

galloway could easily have jumped on scottish independence bandwagon but he didn't , he also voted against his party on the iraq war on moral grounds unlike all of the others and was expelled and chastised .

I think empire is a bit strong. It's easy to get caught up with the whole "oh look, ze germans are doing well here aren't they? lolz".

The idea of having a number of countries together, in a group, no longer fighting about shit every 30-40 years (though, I'm sure there's still misery being inflicted on nations by economic rulez from the more economically successful Northern Europe to the less well off Europe), being able to move around a bigger area of the world freely (as long as YOURE FROM HERE RIGHT?), be able to study, work, or live somewhere, have access to the benefits system while you get on your feet, etc etc, is great. Isn't it?

The problems of migration from somewhere where there's nothing to somewhere where there's more than nothing suggests maybe we should be doing something about the somewhere where there's nothing.

The problems of people "coming over here and claiming our benefits, nicking our jobs" needs to be understood and efforts need to be made in addressing the population saying this. I imagine there are grants from the EU to be had for redevelopment and education etc and so on.

As a EU passport holder that has worked 75% of my working life in the UK and still paying NI at the moment I'd clearly want the UK to be in.

The EU is far from ideal but you can't have it always your way.

germany is a fine example i have travelled extensively across europe over the last 20 years , germany being number 1 destination , i never saw a run down town , village or city (maybe berlin) germany is booming but it looks after germans . i had a friend who was born in germany , she was pregnant had to get benefits but as her parents were italian she had to go to a "Special benefits" office ....germany looks after its own industry and people firstly i believe

A view from Germany:

"The current EU is a battered cruise ship navigating perilous seas, full of treacherous ice bergs like the Euro, Russia, debt crisis, refugees, Greece. Britain is a passenger loudly complaining about the poor choice of desserts in the first-class ballroom restaurant".

(derspiegel.de)

Hey, Germany - Draw me like one of your French girls.

In.

I am appalled and ashamed at the snivelling arrogance of this country.

In like Flynn!

But the UK isn't really a democracy, is it? One branch of the government is elected, but not in any true representative manner. One of the decent things about the EU is that it can moderate the pack of howling wolves about 20% of the electorate voted for. If they were freed from all the conventions of Europe human rights would be out the window, the death penalty would be reintroduced and we'd be ever more beholden to the mob of crims in the Square Mile.

It will be an incredibly slow, legislation-ridden exit. It will take us around 20 years to get out fully. The only people who will benefit will be the lawyers.>

Ah, you see this isn't correct - the very second we choose to leave all the forrins who we don't want will immediately leave, whilst all the ones we do want will stay. I think their local council keeps a list (in/out) and will organise for the departure of the "out's".

Also, all of the forrins who are waiting at ports up and down the Northern coast of Europe will turn around and leave, as removing the free travel that they would enjoy if they were from the EU and not from Iran will obviously stop them trying to enter the UK.

Pretty much this. Say ta-ra to human rights, the last of legal aid and anything else that differentiates us from workers in China et al.

dunno you need to ask tony benn , not me . i agree the tories dont represent the majority and have used fear to get what they wanted , and now its coming back to haunt them .
not sure about human rights the death penalty was abolished before the EU arrived on the scene . i know what you mean though if the daily mail reading middle england if they got their way ...