EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

arent we already owned by USA corporations anyway ?

No.

It feels like Boris is in this to further his ambitions to be PM, I don't believe that he is anti EU at all. Cynical beyond belief.

OUT.
I'm troubled by some of the huge powers held by unelected people in the EU federation.
Being a small fish hopefully leads to a step away from Trident as well a step away from the 'special relationship'.

OUT.

I'm surprised about this.

Take it with a bit of salt. I'm being a tad contrary. TBH I love the idea of Europe but I think the structure needs big reform. Maybe unfounded and Orwellian but I'm cautious when sovereign powers stretching the landmass of Europe are given up to a central system.

If this idiotic country leaves the EU, then I guess I'll have to buy that place in Spain quicker than first imagined. They're still handing out EU passports, right?

Fuck yeah in.

Europe but I think the structure needs big reform

You'll be able to keep these ideas to yourself then.

the fundamental objectives of the EU is the free movement without borders . In campaign - they can't change that !

George Galloway is a pretty good weathervane. I couldn't possibly vote for anything he agrees with.

In, although having voted in favour of an independent Scotland it's somewhat galling to hear some of the same smug pricks who told us we were "better together" advocating splitting from the EU. If it's a "No" in June expect Referendum 2.0: This Time it's SRS BZNSS up here.

There are steps that can be taken that soften the impact though. For example having a strong minimum wage to avoid a race to the bottom. At least then the "lower" working classes would be fighting Poles for decent jobs instead of shit ones. Of course, actually educating our population to a decent standard so they have an advantage over foreign competitors would be nice too.

But, yeah, some downsides are unavoidable. What's increasingly worrying me is that the biggest unavoidable downsides are the ones that matter the most to pretty big chunks of the electorate.

The construction industry in the UK is dependent on migrant workers with skillz from Luthuania to Romania who are experienced plasterers, plumbers, electricians, joiners even scaffolders.

If we leave the EU, who will build all of those luxury apartments for foreign investors in London

And who will fix the stuff we keep breaking..

I'm troubled by some of the huge powers held by unelected people in the EU federation.

It's ok, if we leave the people with huge powers will be unelected but from the UK. Yay!

The only advantage that I can see from being out, is that we might avoid being signed up to TTIP

all about education and i guess most britons didn't take advantage of moving across europe as there were language barriers , whereas many smart europeans who were educated and spoke english well moved to london and regard themselves as londoners now ! although london is stronger economically than most EU cities and easier to find work than in paris or berlin ....

I say in.

Team BrExit:

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Agreed. What i find more baffling is why Zac Goldsmith wants out. His mayoral campaign is already struggling against Sadiq khan, and openly going for a xenophobic Londoner (taxi drivers) view is not exactly going to help.

I don't hate anyone

but I fucking hate politicians

I hate the ones concerned with minutiae, personal advancement and fostering xenophobia than what is best for the country as a whole.

OUT.

I'm troubled by some of the huge powers held by unelected people in the EU federation.
Being a small fish hopefully leads to a step away from Trident as well a step away from the 'special relationship'.>

I would imagine that being out would strengthen the Trident argument, it'd be us against the world, and that would push us even further toward being the US's side-kick.

My view is that the correct option is whatever is directly opposed to whatever Gove is advocating, therefore it must be to stay IN the EU.

Basically this.

'In' is a vote of no confidence in British politics and the electorate. It prevents the incumbent party from making any major changes.

Rather than saying how they want us to vote and how bad it would be otherwise, I would like statements from each party on what they'd do differently if we weren't in the EU. What would the green policies be for example? What, actually, would Tory policy be on immigration? How about Finance - would they de-regulate to attract/retain banks? Human rights?

That would require honesty, and indeed a crystal ball. Cast your mind back to the Scottish independence vote when it transpired that the SNP had projected all their finances on an oil price at over $1 per barrel. As soon as that came out, most sensible people knew that they would be fucked if it went down. Sadly I think that any arguments posited by either side will be ridiculous half truths based on 'projections' and calculated scaremongering. The real story is quite how fucking toxic this country is becoming and how jaded oxygen-thieve politicotards are sturring up 'grass-roots' hatred

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