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@JWestland
I've an Lite 209, I put it on a single speed (level) and now it's on another single speed where I sit deeper down.
From an about 40% top tube/me angle it's now down to about 15% so a nearly flat back.
So I noticed I'm sitting pretty much on the nose only. The setback is the same as on the first bike it was on, but there I would use the back of the saddle and be able to use it.
Should I slam it forward, or is that just the way it is, eg, deep down = you sit on the nose anyway due to hip rotation?
Bar trousers crumping up and digging in a bit (hai work commute) it's comfy enough.