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• #24353
There's only one of them...
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• #24354
Tempting exclusivity aside, not as interested as I thought I'd be. Soz.
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• #24355
Nee bother!
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• #24356
anybody know when is the sale going to end? need a pair of pt bibs asap
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• #24357
"End of the month" according to the shop assistant / ' cycliste apparel aficionado' or whatever they call themselves in the store in London
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• #24358
Touch of a NE twang peut etre?
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• #24359
Indeed, born in North Tees general hospital!
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• #24360
OK - me a bit further N - Durham.
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• #24361
came here to find useful advice on winter garments, gained some new photoshop skills instead...
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• #24362
Hah. Yeah, good point. Depends whether the Rapha investors are spending their money or not though.
Also, they could have moved to China ;)
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• #24363
It may not be racist to not want things made in China but it is definitely nationalistic, which I am not a huge fan of either.
Given that if there were a burgeoning technical textiles industry in the UK, it probably wouldn't be located in your community or affect anyone you know. So what's the difference between helping Chinese people with their local economy or helping a British person with theirs?
As has been noted the vast amount of the profit for Rapha does stay in the UK. They are a design and marketing company, not a textiles producer.
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• #24364
Jesus wept - do you have any idea how expensive Rapha would be if it were all handmade by men with artisan beards in the UK?
It's a global economy - get over it. If you want cycling gear made in the UK, and believe there is a market for it that is greater than just you, then start your own brand.
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• #24365
Jesus wept - do you have any idea how expensive Rapha would be if it were all handmade by men with artisan beards in the UK?
It's a global economy - get over it. If you want cycling gear made in the UK, and believe there is a market for it that is greater than just you, then start your own brand.
Totally and utterly this.
Nearly everything is made in China - this is something people are going to have to accept.
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• #24366
Given that if there were a burgeoning technical textiles industry in the UK, it probably wouldn't be located in your community or affect anyone you know.
There's not a burgeoning technical textiles industry in the UK, there's a declining one. Which is affecting people I know actually, I know several people who are expecting to be made redundant in the near future. They aren't in my community, they're in Chesterfield, but I know them. Actually I can't help thinking this debate would be VERY different if you had it in a pub in Chesterfield, not a London-centric fixie forum.
I already set out the differences - carbon emissions, health and safety standards, tax etc.
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• #24367
I love Mamnick stuff, nearly all of which is made in the UK. The only product I can think of which isn't is the jeans which are made in Japan because everyone knows that's where the best selvedge comes from right.
Thom's prices are Rapha-esque, but somehow he manages to get stuff made in the UK, and the quality is fantastic too. How come he can do it and Rapha can't?
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• #24368
It's all about the bottom line, dear boy.
It's the difference between making enough to live well and making enough to satisfy your shareholders and board of directors.
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• #24369
By the way, personally I have no problem accepting that we live in a global economy and I have no problem buying things that aren't made here - I often do.
I just think it's not racist to question where something is made, or not want things made in China, given that there are numerous examples of low pay, poor working conditions, abuse and poor health and safety among Chinese manufacturers.
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• #24370
"Aint' Chinese manufacturing great"
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• #24371
Fundamentally, if there were UK manufacturers who were able to produce the amount that the Chinese could for the money that organisations like Rapha et al are prepared to pay, then it would all be made in the UK.
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• #24372
I'm not even arguing for resurrecting the UK manufacturing industry. Even if I wanted to do that (I don't) I'd recognise that it was never going to happen.
I'm just pointing out that responding 'lol you is racist' when someone questions where something is made is massively simplistic.
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• #24373
Best selvedge from Japan? White oaks in NC may have something to say about that.
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• #24374
Relevant.
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• #24375
Also shit
The Queen's English.