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crumbs I didn't think such a thing existed, what happens if a spoke breaks? or is there so much rim it doesn't make a difference.
@thecycleclinic is that Malcolm? I don't expect you to remember me but I bought some wheels off you a few years ago you built with velocity A23 rims. I was actually looking on your site to see if you still stock them as they did me very well (still going). I saw the H Plus son archetype rims which I assume have replaced them and thought I might give them a try. What makes Open pro a difficult rim to build with out of interest, don't know why but I imagined that being a good rim for a beginner.
I had an old boy locally build me some wheels with cxp33s a few years ago and he didn't stop complaining about them, saying that they're going to fail or crack, after approx 1-200 miles I took them to the lbs and they overhauled them as half the spokes completely loosened off. In contrast I got the same lbs to build me another set with cxp33s (exactly the same with old hope glide hubs) and years later they still feel really good with no attention at all.