Woodrup Track bike raffle - 50 tickets

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Glwts
So you get the your asking price and we get a 1:50 chance. Can I get 49 tickets

@Velocio Wasn't there some legal issue with raffles? Not meant to come across a snitch - Don't want the seller, entrants or forum to have any potential issues down the line...

Yes.

You cannot legally do a raffle to sell something.

You can only legally do it if 100% of proceeds... Literally every penny... Goes to charity. The selection of the winner must also be witnessed and verified as being a random selection.

@JamesNQ can you confirm that the entire proceeds are going to charity, otherwise this conversation is going to be deleted imminently and you had best refund all PayPal transactions to date.

Fuck me... PayPal gift.

That's against the rules too.

Seriously. There are very strong laws on running raffles, and now I'm aware of it you either comply with those laws, or I remove the raffle and ban you.

If you let me know what charity you'll be donating 100% of proceeds to I'll contact them so we can verify the donation at the end. And we'll arrange a public draw of the tickets for you.

In which case, thanks for being so generous.

was reading down the thread waiting to see whom it was in aid of...

nice bike tho

BTW, PayPal would also shut this down, freeze you account, and ban you whilst keeping the money, if they knew about this thread.

You really need to fully refund or gift transfer any money you've received back to the people involved. PayPal will be way more servere than I.

Blimey, didn't realise it would cause this doing a raffle.

Have refunded everyone.

James

When's the tombola...?

You cannot legally do a raffle to sell something.

You can only legally do it if 100% of proceeds... Literally every penny... Goes to charity

This. Paypal contacted me when I did the LCEF bike raffle and I had lengthy conversations with them to unfreeze my account. it was ( obviously--it went ahead ) all fine in the end, but a ballache nonetheless.

Strange really, I've been to loads of events (large and small) which have held raffles pretty easy. Are the rules over the internet much different or are people just turning a blind eye to the 'real life' ones?

coins for a couple of tickets is different to using a structured payment system to accept transactions from bank accounts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Th5NxaMiFI

A long time ago on an American forum far, far away I pointed out to someone trying the raffle sale thing that under his state law it was massively illegal and also just a douchey way to sell something.

I was 100% rinsed by every one who had viewed the thread or bought a ticket as a "hater".

I'm glad to see things have moved on.

Real-life rules are easy to apply.

The draw is public (witnessed) and random (from a hat or tombola).
The target charity is up-front declared to all entrants.
The tickets sold or donation amount is declared at time of draw.

Basically it's fully transparent and most schools, community groups, etc are aware of the laws.

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/Gambling-sectors/Lotteries/About-the-lottery-industry/About-lotteries-raffles/About-lotteries-raffles.aspx

It's really simple in real-life to comply, but very hard on-line to comply.

On-line demands a level of transparency harder to achieve, and the key requirement is on this page: http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/Gambling-sectors/Lotteries/About-the-lottery-industry/About-lotteries-raffles/Incidental-non-commercial-lotteries.aspx

Incidental non-commercial lotteries (also known as raffles) are held at events where all money raised goes entirely to purposes that are not for private or commercial gain (such as school fetes).

That's actually why LCEF and others could do it... provably passing every penny to a cause.

LFGSS has done one before, and again every penny went to charity (a hospital blood cause as it was related to a person involved in a road traffic incident).

Also... if you do decide to do a charity one online (it's still not clear to me whether you intended any or all of the proceeds to go to charity, or this was just a form of selling something)... then you can still do that, but it's best to do the draw in public, i.e. a pub where others can come and witness the random selection.

Finally if it's done online, there needs to be some verification of the donation. LCEF was fine, they organised it and benefited and effectively charities, clubs, societies can do that and that's cool. For LFGSS I received a thank you note from the charity which I shared. Something needs to say, yup... the money (correct total) really did end up with the cause.

And not all of this is aimed at you, part of it is just here for the next person who comes along thinking that they can do a raffle when it's likely to land them in a serious mess.

@Velocio interesting read, thanks.