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• #2327
the new Clement is not related to Challenge, and their tyres are made in Taiwan.
A lot of product names have little to no relationship to the original product. In some cases the brandnames are licensed, sometimes purchased and sometimes bought back to life as a kind of squat. Trademarks in contrast to patents need to be defended. If you don't defend them they loose their protection. They also need to be renewed. A number of people see some nice brands that have lapsed and simply register them. Its cheap. A number of brands that claim to be "back" are just these. Others are licensed--- sometimes all that is left of the original brand are the trademarks. Clement? According to the USPTO Pirelli still maintains the trademarks. Donnelly Sports have, in turn, licensed them from Pirelli.
For fun.. just did a check on Wolber.. Seems that the brand was abandoned in the US by WOLBER CORPORATION FRANCE 17, ROUTE DE VILLENEUVE 02205 SOISSONS CEDEX FRANCE. Recall Wolber was purchased by Michelin and sometime in the 1990s they dumped the brand and let it expire before Y2K.. In 2012 LOUGHRAN , David Anthony INDIVIDUAL UNITED KINGDOM 2A BRINCLIFFE CRESCENT SHEFFIELD UNITED KINGDOM registered it.. According to company house.... https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/aMVhh-7rhEDGvFEEOvTGC7y5kUU/appointments ... Planet-X.. but it is since marked as ABANDONED.. dated March 5, 2013. Another person could probably register Wolber and bring tyres to the market... (the closest to real Wolbers being FMBs but that is not the point..)... -
• #2328
Yeah man, for some reason I had a similar experience with on an Archetype but thankfully because they're so good, I haven't had the need to remove them.
I seriously love them though
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• #2329
Clement are manufactured by Duro TW. Correct on all the others.
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• #2330
Had a pair on my merckx for about 5 years, never punctured. Probably only does a couple hundred miles a year as a summer cruiser though. Lush tyres
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• #2331
Good to hear. Hopefully once they've been on a while with a bit of riding in em they may give a bit, fingers crossed anyway. Looking forward to maiden voyage tomorrow.
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• #2332
I forgot Bontrager too
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• #2333
An (inner) tube related question:
My tubes keep popping when the bike has been stationary for multiple hours (sometimes a whole night).
The rims and tyres (although pretty worn out) seem clean and debris free and the rimtape is securely in place. The inner tubes are probably the cheapest on earth; could it be as simple as buying better tubes and if so, which do you recommend?
Thanks for reading.
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• #2334
might just be shit tubes, but are they the right size? sometimes if you but a 18-25mm tube in a 28/32mm tyre it could overstretch it and lead it to pop.
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• #2335
I'm running 25mm tyres and on the tubes it says "18/25"; I think they're just regular inner tubes? Just really cheap I guess.
The (weird) thing is, I haven't had many flats (on the road) with them at all, maybe one. But I already had three flats while the bike was sitting stationary in my room, after not having moved for hours on end.
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• #2336
Not leant up against a radiator is it?
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• #2337
Nope. I'm gonna buy some more expensive inner tubes and new rim tape and hope that'll solve the problem. Fingers crossed.
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• #2338
What pressure do you run them at? My guess is that the air is warming and expanding when the bike is indoors.
25mm is at the tube's limit and if they quite thin, the expansion may be enough to burst them. Try getting some where 25mm is the minimum size or in the middle of the range.
Considering the modest difference in price between cheap and expensive tubes, might as well treat yourself! Any of the recognised brands will do, the only ones I can remember hearing bad things about are (I think) Specialized.
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• #2339
Mostly between 7 and 7.5 bar. Will take your advice in consideration when buying some new tubes tomorrow, thanks!
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• #2340
What rim tape is it? And are you sure your tyres is free from debris?
Did you inflated the punctured tube to see where it pop from and look for where it happen on the wheel?
(This is easier if you lined up the tyres logos with the valve holes).
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• #2341
Lastly what does it look like? Is it a Big Bang that almost split the inner in half, a somewhat clean cut, or a tiny holes that kept the inner tube inflated for a short while out of the tyres?
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• #2342
The rim tape is arguably not the best; it's plasticy, that's why I'll be getting new ones tomorrow as well. Every time I had a flat, I checked the tyres and rims and they we're pretty much spotless.
I've lost count/memory of where the holes were. Last one was on the inside of the rim, so where it touches the rim tape/valve holes (which would indicated shoddy rim tape?). The last hole was tiny which deflated the entire tube in under 10 seconds.
I'll be getting some better rim tape and tubes and will thoroughly clean the rims and tyres and we will try again.
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• #2343
Giant P-sl 1 25mm race tyres, anybody interested in a pair?
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• #2344
It does sound like a dodgy rims tape being the problem, even if it doesn't look like it when looking at the holes.
Hopefully that should solved it, failing that, a new tyres might be needed.
(Plus I really can't tell any difference between cheap inner and expensive one, I personally don't think it make that much of a difference unless it's a bad batch that made it pass QC, which also happen with a Schwalbe set once!).
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• #2345
Tyre aficionados, I'd appreciate some advice. I'm thinking of getting on the supple tyre bandwaggon for my commuter, currently erring towards Compass Bon Jon. I fully appreciate I'll probably wear through £80 worth of tyre in a few months (they're intentionally frivolous, as a Christmas present) but I'm not sure about punctures.
I'm currently running Marathon Supremes which have given me over 3,000 miles puncture free, so my route clearly isn't awful for road debris, but then again they are mighty marathons. Will the suppleness of the Compasses protect me, or will I spend 30 mins by the roadside each week cursing my poncy tyres?
Oh, and could I even get away with the extra light version? I'd prefer black sidewalls.
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• #2346
You could try using sealant in your tubes?
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• #2347
I've just bought a set of 40c supremes on sale from rose, looking forward to a comfy commute after using 28c randos. Hope they fit.
One of the randos was defeated by a shard of glass on Friday, and I am not looking forward to changing it later. I can live with a lack of suppleness over puncture protection any time
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• #2348
Yeah, I've been toying with the idea, but I can't be arsed pumping up latex tubes all the time and I've heard that sealant doesn't work half as well in butyl tubes. Can't hurt to try though I suppose. Except sealant and removable-core tubes adds another £30+ to my expensive mistake if it turns into a puncture-fest!
EDIT: Just realised the Bon Jons are tubeless compatible, so I could take the sealent fettling to a whole new level...
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• #2349
Yeah, there is an element of "grass is greener on the other side" to my thinking. My Supremes have served me well so far, they are great tyres, but my commute gets steadly bumpier in the last 4 miles or so - Suppleness starts to look a pretty attractive feature when I'm juddering along uphill at 12 mph wishing I was in the shower.
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• #2350
Not sure if really necessary TBH.
Any users of conti speed ride?