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I also don't quite know what type of intervention I would back but am very much in favour of them being downgraded/got rid of. I just have an issue with the publicly stated goal of doing that being out of kilter with the privately stated geopolitical stuff. If it's genuinely about doing away with them then work with who is most able to fight them on the ground (this may include the Syrian state), working with natural allies like Iran, putting real pressure on allies like Turkey to stop enabling them, be alert to the fact that sunnis in the two countries most effected by this are totally unrepresented, don't treat the conflict as another 'sphere' to fuck with Russia and it's interests, and essentially don't use this horrendous tragedy as a means to carve the region into something that policy makers think suits their respective interests. These guys are fucking hideous and I will back any well thought out comprehensive diplomatic as well as military policy that genuinely focuses on getting rid of them, saving lives and increasing regional stability. If that includes British military assets so be it. I haven't seen that plan yet and won't be backing anything that favours zero sum geopolitical gains over these objectives.