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The whole Corbyn shambles is giving the tories a free ride, time to relax and consolidate the trust the electorate already have in them. Sure, Labour are being refreshingly different: no coherent policies, no loyalty to their leader. Osborne behaves more and more like a PM in waiting. We need a serious opposition back and quick.

I disagree. I know that's what the Daily Mail says, but I actually think Corbyn should keep on keeping on, honesty will slowly prove to actually be what the electorate wants.

Maybe.

Not exactly endearing themselves to the middle-ground floating voters, are they?

that's what the Daily Mail says,

It's what half the parliamentary labour party thinks, including many of the shadow cabinet.
disagreeing with Corbyn does not make you right wing. That kind of assumption, made by Corbyn's supporters, is part of the problem in the party.

I like many of Corbyn's policies, I like his manner, but I don't like the way he has split the PLP.

The same half that thought he couldn't win the leadership election?

Just sayin that from within my little middle class lefty twat bubble it feels like things might be changing, why can't that be right and the view from the long term professional politician bubble be the wrong one.

corbyn's supporters number in the hundreds of thousands. the detached, self interested PLP would do well to remember that. the fact that they are using the prospect of indiscriminate , state sponsored killing as an excuse to stick the knife in his back tells you all you need to know about these faux tory class traitors.

it's worth noting that all unions have an anti-war stance.

I was very optimistic when Corbyn was elected, he made all the right noises about trying to unite the party, and I thought the divisions early on would settle down. However it looks like it's getting worse. Chuka Umuna, for example, is not a long term professional politician. He's from a working class immigrant background. The question is not whether he is right and Corbyn is wrong, but can Corbyn make room for a greater variance of views.

chukka UMUNNA is not from a working class background. his dad was a successful businessman and his mum is a solicitor.

#nonsequitur

His mum was a working class lawyer.

And his private education was the same as every other working class boy.

I'm a member of the GMB, which isn't noticeably anti-war. Nothing on their website or in any of their mail-outs.

"Umunna was educated at Hitherfield Primary School in Streatham, South London, and the Christ Church Primary School in Brixton Hill. He says his parents felt that the local state school had "given up on him" and as a result had moved him to the boys' independent senior school St Dunstan's College,[10] in Catford in southeast London, where he played the cello.[11] During this period he was also a chorister at Southwark Cathedral."

"Umunna was born in London, England. His father Bennett, of the Nigerian Igbo ethnic group, died in a road accident in Nigeria in 1992.[5] Umunna's mother, Patricia Milmo, a solicitor, is of English-Irish background."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuka_Umunna

So, single mum, and state educated up to the age of 17. Posh bastard. Or maybe it's more important that he's a talented, intelligent and has the support of his constituents?

Other exclusions apply if the death results directly or indirectly from:

• war or any act of war

https://www.unioninsurance.co.uk/products/life-cover/gmb

make of this what you will. (tho probably pretty bog-standard life insurance jiggery pokery)

I know one shouldn't judge on superficial impressions, I'm sure he is great really, but from a distance Umunna is just another shiny-faced politician who it's difficult to believe in. JC is an actual real person. Don't under estimate the appeal of that. It's made Richard Branson billions, Obama king of the free world and won Craig Big Brother.

For those that are fed up of the disingenuous politicians that have dominated the front benches since John Major (a cunt, but a decent, honest cunt), Corbyn is very appealing. Umunna is just another one like all the others.

Like I say, I'm blinkered, but maybe not as blinkered as those in the PLP that continue to deny what's happening around JC, despite the fact that it's quite clearly happening.

Standard jiggery-pokery I think, but do you expect anything less from insurance-wallahs?

Or maybe it's more important that he's a talented, intelligent and has the support of his constituents?

You're the one that brought up his background.

^^A friend of mine is an artist, and was commissioned to do a bunch of sketches of the inside of 10 Downing Street when John Major was living there.
He had been sitting in the corner of the cabinet room during a meeting, and when the meeting finished he found himself alone with John Major, who asked to see the sketches and personally gave him a guided tour of the whole place.
Apparently he was a really nice bloke.

....which was in response to Corbyn's opponents being classed as "long term professional politicians". But you're right, it was hypocritical of me to be dragged into the class debate, it's useless.

You know who else liked art?

still yentzed edwina currie...

George, Jr?

Rolf Harris?

Never really got a bad vibe off Major... Not really something to drop amongst northern relatives but he was an anomoly.

Come off it, they're both "actual, real" persons, you just agree with one more than the other. Umuna has a more mathematical brain, and probably comes across a bit more cold and polished.

Umuna has a more mathematical brain

what is that supposed to even mean?