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im so dumb i dont know what you mean...

IS it the circle law? Ive heard about that.

If
Arm size = bigger
then
Brain = smaller

I doubt it. There are most likely some that regret joining but I think the best way forward is to stop young guys and gals from joining in the first place and helping them feel less isolated in their home countries with more money spent on youth work and actually making people feel integrated and valued. Age and gender seem to have more to do with this than religion or race.

Those that have already joined basically all have to go (albeit quietly and without all the fanfare they gave jihadi John). It feels very uncomfortable typing something like that but I see no benefit to humanity by wasting resources or risking lives by imprisoning any of them. Hopefully that doesn't make me a Nazi loon - I just think we need to do a better job of not making all these disaffected youths, and maybe have a slightly less aggressive foreign policy.

The Onion from 2003.
http://www.theonion.com/multiblogpost/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-regio-11534
Am currently trawling their site looking for long-term investment tips.

I'm reminded of that piece I linked to a few pages back about the psychology of American school shooters. I'm guessing religious terrorists may have some similarities in their motivation - just with the addition of motivated cheerleaders and facilitators

Frank Gardener made an interesting observation on the BBC news. Through UK/US support of the Kurdish armies in Syria we have made it too difficult for recruits to get to Syria. Therefore the online recruiters are telling recruits to stay at home where they will be put in touch with weapons, explosives and people who can help them plan a strike against the enemies of IS at home.

So basically, expect more of this kind of thing.

^ can we formalize ghetto-isation, oh and curfews..

In the third paragraph of their own article they talk about CNN covering it, so why are they saying the media ignored it?

I also know that Reuters, the BBC, The Guardian, FT, the WSJ, PRI, VICE, The Independent, The Mail and many others covered it. So claims the media 'ignored' the story are just sensationalist bollocks.

It feels fairly normal here this morning, which is in itself rather sad I guess. There was a 'suspect package' at Gare de Lyon, so metros and RER were a bit messed up, but in many ways the we've never really come down from the alert after the January shootings, hence extra security guards checking bags going into commercial centres and 3-strong armed soldier teams on the streets and in the big stations is no different today than it was last week.

Saturday was understandably quiet, pretty much every public park and square was closed, no street markets, most bars and restaurants near us were either closed, or at least didn't put the tables and chairs outdoors. By Sunday, though, half the parks were open again, and most of the bars and restaurants too. From the rolling news coverage you'd think everyone's either hiding indoors or wandering the streets in complete shock, while the reality is a bit more mundane.

EDIT: January shootings, not bombings, sorry.

Is it wrong to fear the reaction to the attacks, than a reprise of the attacks?

Those that have already joined basically all have to go (albeit quietly and without all the fanfare they gave jihadi John). It feels very uncomfortable typing something like that but I see no benefit to humanity by wasting resources or risking lives by imprisoning any of them.

The simple answer to this is that if we abandon our principles with regards to the rule of law, capital punishment and basically killing people because they're inconvenient then we're strying very deep into the territory of being "no better than them". Not only that but we're actually giving the likes of ISIS exactly what they want and exactly what they want to support further radicalisation and recruitment. In this war that we're currently in, where the enemy has no sovereign territory and no recognisable borders beyond the range and accuracy of a rifle shot or mortar shell, principles matter. They matter a fuck of a lot. So while you think it's a waste of resources, I think it's a wise use of resources in order to make the long game and all of it's costs a lot smaller. This is a war of decades and generations that will make The Troubles look like a flash in the pan.

Coming out of the cold war era, we made frightening advances in military technology and practice that meant we virtually didn't have to lose any lives in combat. The new enemy, if you'll reduce them to that simplistic term, changed all of that by redefining who they'll see as the combatants. They're now counting all of them and all of us. Any of them can take up arms and any of us are fair game.

And yes, you do start to look like a bit of a Nazi loon.

Sorry.

I do fear the reaction to the attacks, and what it will mean to personal liberty

Yep, agreed, and when I see that anonymous CVs mean more people get called for interviews me thinks we have work to do including people/not be racist.

It's tricky though as often people group together based on country/language (not everyone has the luxury of speaking English well) leading to instant non-mixing. But governments sit and watch, and then complain people don't mix.

But then it turns out every country you are (see the projects by locals with Polish in NI, projects with Maroccans in NL) once people learn about each other and work together, racism goes down/integration goes up.

That's what I was feeling, especially when they linked the Syrian passport to one of the bombers. The Polish government then promptly confirmed those fears.

Anyone wondering if you can negotiate/communicate with extreme political groups who use violence should look up Gabrielle Rifkind and her contemporaries.

Also, saying we should just kill everyone who has joined IS is totally fucking ridiculous.

Found out my brother in law knows the EODM merchandising guy who was killed really well as his courier firm ships merch to bands on tour in Europe.

Longish read on academics doing research into Isis recruits. Difficult to find prisoners as Isis don't give a shit about their soldiers so usual prisoner exchanges never happen and everyone just kills each others captives.

Generation of Iraqi youth screwed by US occupation and aftermath get a bit of structure and cash from Isis, not actually religious zealots.

http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/

Yeah, I totally agree. It's more that I'm just struggling to think of a way through this that involves the least amount of death. Sticking to our principles might mean that more people die and I find that a hard pill to swallow.

I hope you don't think I'm some blood thirsty mental - I agree with everything you just said. It's just a very tough test of one's principals but thanks for bringing it back down to reality.

Also, saying we should just kill everyone who has joined IS is totally fucking ridiculous.

Yep. Massive backtrack on that one. I feel like a cunt for even thinking it. Bit embarrassing.

that blinks of bicester thing according to the internet the salon owner has already been done once for racial harrasment this year

http://www.bicesteradvertiser.net/news/13506964.Scales_of_Justice__18_cases_heard_at_Banbury_Magistrates_Court/?ref=mr&lp=5

3rd one down ! april major

hopefully she can take cliveo off my guardian homepage

Humility? Admitting you might have been wrong?? You're on the wrong forum, surely.

Sorry, fair play to you, I'm just jealous. It's been a long weekend. Anger management issues...

"I'm not racist I just have a conviction for racially aggravated harrassment"

the January bombings

Were there bombings, too? I thought it was 'only' shootings?

Bianchi means 'white' in Italian (masculine plural). :)

You're right, my mistake, shootings. The bombing of Charlie Hebdo office was in 2011.