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  • Can ISIS be negotiated with is the current question on my mind...

    The lefties on my FB are (perhaps rightly so) upset about civilian deaths which are unavoidable.
    But it's not that ISIS aren't totally barbaric.

    Though obv. if you bomb a place w/o asking people there, well... maybe they prefer ISIS.

  • I doubt it. There are most likely some that regret joining but I think the best way forward is to stop young guys and gals from joining in the first place and helping them feel less isolated in their home countries with more money spent on youth work and actually making people feel integrated and valued. Age and gender seem to have more to do with this than religion or race.

    Those that have already joined basically all have to go (albeit quietly and without all the fanfare they gave jihadi John). It feels very uncomfortable typing something like that but I see no benefit to humanity by wasting resources or risking lives by imprisoning any of them. Hopefully that doesn't make me a Nazi loon - I just think we need to do a better job of not making all these disaffected youths, and maybe have a slightly less aggressive foreign policy.

  • Those that have already joined basically all have to go (albeit quietly and without all the fanfare they gave jihadi John). It feels very uncomfortable typing something like that but I see no benefit to humanity by wasting resources or risking lives by imprisoning any of them.

    The simple answer to this is that if we abandon our principles with regards to the rule of law, capital punishment and basically killing people because they're inconvenient then we're strying very deep into the territory of being "no better than them". Not only that but we're actually giving the likes of ISIS exactly what they want and exactly what they want to support further radicalisation and recruitment. In this war that we're currently in, where the enemy has no sovereign territory and no recognisable borders beyond the range and accuracy of a rifle shot or mortar shell, principles matter. They matter a fuck of a lot. So while you think it's a waste of resources, I think it's a wise use of resources in order to make the long game and all of it's costs a lot smaller. This is a war of decades and generations that will make The Troubles look like a flash in the pan.

    Coming out of the cold war era, we made frightening advances in military technology and practice that meant we virtually didn't have to lose any lives in combat. The new enemy, if you'll reduce them to that simplistic term, changed all of that by redefining who they'll see as the combatants. They're now counting all of them and all of us. Any of them can take up arms and any of us are fair game.

    And yes, you do start to look like a bit of a Nazi loon.

    Sorry.

  • Yep, agreed, and when I see that anonymous CVs mean more people get called for interviews me thinks we have work to do including people/not be racist.

    It's tricky though as often people group together based on country/language (not everyone has the luxury of speaking English well) leading to instant non-mixing. But governments sit and watch, and then complain people don't mix.

    But then it turns out every country you are (see the projects by locals with Polish in NI, projects with Maroccans in NL) once people learn about each other and work together, racism goes down/integration goes up.

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