Does anyone own a Canyon?

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Anyone else have an ordered cancelled by them? I ordered a frameset over a month ago, and today they called to say they have no stock of the frame.
I chatted to them online several times about the order and they said that the order was fine, they just needed to fix their systems to confirm a delivery date.

The offered me 5% off any full bike. I don't need a bloody full bike, that's why I ordered a frameset. They couldn't even confirm if/when framesets will be available to order. Terrible customer service all-round

For anyone with an Aeroad with the new integrated bar/ stem, the garmin mounts are back in stock.

ALL the etap!

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Old bikes LOL.

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Anybody got an endurance frame? Looking at the SL with DA - £2,370 ish with delivery. Amazing deals!

are you a mamil? And most importantly have you seen the delivery dates?

You'd have thought they'd put a bit of tape over the shimano logo.

No sir..but getting into the longer rides. I am in no rush..
Looking at the geometry.. not a massive shift from the Ultimate SL.. hmm.

Why not start with Endurace AL with 5800 then? Or even 4700 ..

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Nah mate. I see this as your next Canyon.

Thats a good shout - I could get AL and spend a bit more on a decent bike fit.

A friend of mine is using his for last 3 years as a daily bike .. no issues whatsoever. Can't take full mudguards tho.

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Advanced warning, this'll be an essay...

Canyon hive mind, I'm torn between bikes, and hope you can offer some advice.

The two in question are both Ultimate 9.0 SLs. One is the AL SLX, one the CF Aero.

Comparison - https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/tools/bike-comparison/#biketype=1&bike1=3739&bike2=3747

TLDR - Which one!?

Please read on if you can be bothered, I'm mostly typing it all out to consolidate my thoughts.

History - I have never bought a new road bike. I rode a cobbled together Giant Cadex several years ago and liked it, but wanted to ride fixed when I moved to Uni in Norwich, so have ridden old track bikes for the past several years day in day out, for commuting and my road rides. I want to treat myself to a new modern road bike for weekends and trips to see friends in hilly places, and have decided on a Canyon for many reasons, however am torn between the two mentioned above.

Fit/geometry - Thankfully, both frames are almost identical. The only discrepancy being a 7mm shorter seat tube on the CF, which is largely irrelevant on modern frames anyway. The Stack and the Reach for the size L are both very close to my current 58 square track bike, so hopefully that will work out perfectly. I run a 120 stem currently, and the Canyons ship with a 110 as standard in L, so hopefully that will be a happy compromise for riding further forward on hoods rather than just on the top bends of lever less drops, if that makes sense. There's maybe a fraction extra Stack compared to my current bike, but that'll just allow more comfort in the drops anyway, which will be no bad thing.

Material - I've got no ego attached to having a carbon bike whatsoever. I'd gladly have the peace of mind with a metal bike in fact, especially knowing that any spills might not be fatal for the frame set. Crackyon life, and all that! But, if I'm spending all of this money, would I be silly not to get a carbon bike while I can afford one? I really need guidance here - do you have to be really precious with carbon bikes, or is that a bit of a myth now the design is so refined? Would I constantly be worried about random carbon failures? Of course, it's a full carbon fork on both, and the AL actually comes out as slightly lighter bike thanks to the Force 22 and the Ksyriums, speaking of which...

Wheels - I live in Norwich. Norfolk is mostly flat, but Norfolk is also often windy. There are no big hills to contend with, so I'm not so bothered about the rotational weight saving (especially as I have few problems on the majority of hills here on my steel track bike, and will be dropping 2kg off that, and adding gears into the equation!) However I'm also only 70kgs myself at 6' 3", so cross winds with 50mm rims could be an issue if taken by surprise if I got the Cosmics? Braking performance should be close to identical for both too, as they both have an aluminium brake track with the Exalith 2 coating.

All of that said, I can't get over the fact that the build with the Cosmics that come with the CF just looks so much better than the build with the Ksyriums on the AL. It's disgracefully vain, but if I'm spending £2000 on a bike, I want to be totally thrilled with it, and I'd hate to get the AL and feel a slight pang of regret. But, is the CF really worth £500 more than the AL, if I'm only being swayed by the wheels, and if I'm verging on cautious, nay concerned about a full carbon bike? Possible option/solution is buying the AL, trying to sell the Ksyriums very close to retail, and buying the Cosmics myself as a 'best of both worlds'. Seems a bit convoluted though.

Group - I hear Ultegra and Force 22 are pretty negligible, although the SRAM might edge it on weight and aesthetics (for me.) I had old Flightdeck era Sora on my old Cadex, so I know very roughly how Shimano gears feel, but I imagine things have advanced so far by now that either system would be a huge improvement, and would present a bit of a learning curve either way, so not really bothered. Shimano stuff might be fractionally easier/cheaper to find in shops? Again, not a deal breaker of any sort.

Components - Essentially identical again. Only difference is you get the flashy variable setback post with the CF, and the AL has a cheaper, aluminium topped setback post. Bars, stem, tape, tyres, tubes and saddle are all the same.

I really just need all of you to tell me to stop being a dick about fancy aesthetics, and to go for the AL and ride it into the ground/up all the hills I can find, as I know it's the most logical choice.

But this is a bike forum, not a logic forum, and I can't stop thinking about rolling out on the CF with those Cosmics on a Summer's day and feeling like a kid on Batman's bike.

Any opinions or advice would be great. Inevitable trolling will be gracefully endured. Thanks. Al.

^Get the Aero.

yeah I'd say CF Aero too. Check stock etc. They are shockingly bad for customer service and availability.

Any particular reasons for the CF @jakemcree @amey ?

Or was my, "it just looks really cool" argument that strong?

Not fussed about delivery times at all, as I'm in no rush, but thanks for the heads up anyway. I though they were quite good for customer service from all of @HoKe 's various dilemmas, or did I get the wrong end of the stick?

Well they have a great product at a great price which has resulted in more demand than supply (cycling is the new gold etc.) so when I say customer service is bad I mean the lead times keep changing, they are not quick to respond etc.

Why CF? Because of your purpose and it rides nicer then al. I had Ultimate AL and loved that bike but carbon as a material wins for me. Ultimate AL is the closest you can go to carbon. If I can just have one road bike it will be carbon. Plus I think the CF aero is better value. Aerodynamics of Mavic V section wheels is not on trend but its a great deal. It used to be under the sponsoring deal and even cheaper with a BC license: https://www.canyon.com/service/sponsoring/ That page seems to be dead for UK but you can ask.

I think mainly because of the superior wheels and groupset. Also, imo it does looks really cool. You're getting quite a lot for the money there. I've read about people having bad experiences with their customer service, but I found them to be really good. They even managed to deliver about a month earlier than initially suggested.

Ah I see. Well, as I say, I'm in no rush to get it - nothing is set in stone - but for what it's worth the CF Aero is saying late February at the moment, so I suppose I'd better add my name to the queue if I'm keen!

Thank you for the input on the carbon preference. I ride a steel track frame at the moment, which naturally couldn't be further apart! I suppose there is a reason why everybody rides carbon bikes nowadays; the quality must equal the hype. I'd just be worried about a fragility, and a crash possibly meaning a total write off, but I suppose that could happen with any bike anyway.

I'm a total Mavic fan boy, so I'm not too concerned about the aero disadvantages of narrower, sharper profiled rims. I ride Open Pros happily at the moment, and the Cosmics will be a hell of an improvement on them! I'm sure there will be a placebo effect of having flashy wheels too, or at least, I'll feel pressure to be fast to justify the bike!

Unfortunately it does seem that sponsorship deal has expired, but thanks for the tip, I'll drop them a message once I'm decided.

Ultimate or Aero.