The Tester Approves thread (see first post)

They do.
I think that tester was inferring that an 11speed chain from either if those manufacturers would be recommended for an 11 speed setup.

And at the same time pointing out that the generic 'which chain?' question has been asked and answered dozens of times both here and in its very own thread

inferring

You inferred that from my comment, I implied it.

Is there a tester-approved torque wrench kit that doesn't cost the earth? First forray into carbon bits and I'm acutely aware of my tendency to over-tighten all the things!

Bpp torque wrench is Scherrit (bike whisperer) approved from memory

Is there a tester-approved torque wrench kit that doesn't cost the earth?

Define 'earth'. If you can't afford good tools, make some savings on your bicycles until you can.

Fair enough. That wasn't phrased well and not thought out. I mean I am looking for an adjustable wrench to cover the usual range used for bikes, plus the most common bits, for more around the 50-60 quid mark than 90-100. But I suppose, for a calibrated bit of kit, it's a case of buy cheap, buy twice.

Oh, and are any or the the preset torque wrenches worth a look?

"See these [points at elbows]? These are my torque wrenches mate"

Nope, that's arthritis.

more around the 50-60 quid mark than 90-100

If £50 price difference is a deal breaker, I refer you back to my original comment. You're buying something which should last a home mechanic a decade or more, and if you're any kind of a bike nut that means thousands of pounds worth of parts, not to mention your face, will depend on important threaded joints both not snapping and not loosening in service. Don't nickel-and-dime the issue now.

The extra £50 isn't a deal breaker, so much as a not buy something else just yet figure. So for my £100 budget options, am I looking at Park Tool offerings vs Norbar or is there a third way?

is there a third way?

Well, the official #tester_approved torque wrench is the old Syntace one which AFAIK was a re-branded Britool with a Cal.Cert. The current Syntace one is by Wera, available as Wera for a bit less here

Great stuff. The Wera branded one looks just the ticket (I have some Wera tools already and they have been decent quality). Thanks Tester!

@mdcc_tester http://www.bikerumor.com/2015/11/05/industry-launches-new-larger-threaded-t47-bottom-bracket-standard-say-goodbye-to-pressfit/

thoughts?

It seems like the perfect problem solver, and all frames with an aluminium bb30 sleeve are backwards compatible.

It seems like the perfect problem solver

Which problem does it solve? The one where frame manufacturers can't be arsed to implement BB30 properly? You can already put a 30mm axle through a 1.37"×68mm or 36mm×70mm shell if you like threaded BB bearing cups.

This has to be some kind of joke

@mdcc_tester well yeah, and the creaky bb that comes with it

it should at least save a few frames that have had bearings installed/removed poorly enough times that the tolerance is way gone.

No thanks, but let me know when Shimano sign up to it.

...creaky bb...

cf "...frame manufacturers [who] can't be arsed to implement BB30 properly".

It seems like the perfect problem solver.

For people who does not fit BB30 properly.

If you want longevity without looking after it, go square taper and SKF.

There are shed loads. My lbs is full of creaking carbons, it seems only Trek and Giant have been reliably able to machine and engineer BB30 kit to sufficient tolerances that DON'T creak.

This kit will probably sell well, to all the rest.

Yes, but we all know it only takes one person to do it wrong and it's fucked (I'm a bit sensitive on this as I'm currently stumping up the cash for a previous owner having done this)

And even then they'll often eventually go wrong for whatever reason.

I do agreed, it does take one person to fuck it up.

The main issues I believe is simply water ingestion as modern carbon frame have little to no way of draining the water out of the shell other than through the cartridge bearing.

And the other problem is that it's slightly more exposed to the elements (need citation on this) base on customers' bike whom they don't look after.

Trek and Giant predominately use BB86/90 rather, Using 24mm axles (standard Shimano) rather than 30mm.

did a quick search and don't think this is in here:

what are the most hard wearing chainrings? to be totally specific, something 9 or 10 speed shimano / 110bcd.... and hard as fuck so it'll last for ages (even when I'm naughty and don't change my chain enough etc), but really just to get an idea of which brands / models are usually trustworthy... Stronglight? TA? etc

Also, does anyone happen to know if the stainless steel surly ones work, or are they too wide for 10 speed?

does anyone happen to know if the stainless steel surly ones work, or are they too wide for 10 speed?

If 9-speed chain will run on them, so will 10- or 11-speed