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Not sure what you are saying here or perhaps its my bad syntax
The Green School is Walthamstow School for Girls , a secondary school. Both my daughters are alumini
Its on the edge of the Village..
Even as things stand it's ok to cycle to. My girls could have done from Whipps X. Neither of them did
There is not a cycling culture amongst their peers. Cycling is just some that their dad bores them with.If I have had a point in my posts it's been about creating a culture of cycling in Waltham Forest. It's what you do to get some where, it need not define you.
You can build all the infrastructure you want but it probably won't create a cycling culture.
Bike shops at the Bakers Arms and on Hoe street selling cheap but decent utility bikes might make help create a Waltham Forest bike culture..
And so might cycling lessons at Leytonstone school , the Green School and Connaught girls -
To be fair to MH's marketing they have used pictures of people who look like they live in our corner of NE London.
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You see what I'm suggesting by parked cars and vans though? Crossing the road/cycling along the road is much more dangerous when there are bumper to bumper cars parked! This has to have been a consideration?
Of course, parked cars are a huge problem (although in a sense a blessing in disguise, as off-street car parking is far worse--it can't be managed like on-street car parking can). It almost sounds as if you're talking about queues of (congestion-causing) stationary cars rather than parked cars, though, or am I imagining that?
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Perhaps it isn't, but frankly I'm getting sick to the back teeth of the E17Streets4All (cars) lot and the blatant lies they peddle. The anti campaign leaders are some of the same people who drive as if the roads of Waltham Forest are their own personal racetrack every day. They do not care about anything except 1) losing precious car parking spaces and 2) not being able to drive wherever they want, whenever they like.
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I think you have hit two nails on their heads.
In other news- its the Lea Valley CC Hill Climb on the 1st November
It's a ride up Mott Street in Epping Forest- Do any of the WF readers fancy coming
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Can anyone in favour of Mini Holland sign the petition in support. Thanks
http://change.org/p/stella-creasy-mp-we-support-mini-holland-in-walthamstow
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Coverage of the protest from the Standard.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/hundreds-protest-as-roads-close-for-miniholland-cyclefriendly-scheme-a3098921.html -
Your link was broken, try...
https://www.change.org/p/stella-creasy-mp-we-support-mini-holland-in-walthamstow
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That's not Jeremy. It's my friend Andy.
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That's not Jeremy. It's my friend Andy.
buffsupwell made a funny. :)
Probably for MH overall but not happy with its implementation ...
I imagine he'll be aware that such nuances tend to get lost in a polarised debate.
Very interesting figures cited for the alleged economic losses. They are almost certainly much too high, as the financial health of local businesses is usually not such that they could survive a 50-60% drop in business over a couple of weeks. If the figure was true, most of them would have had to close by now.
That's not to not take the figure seriously, though; it clearly shows the scale of the alarm felt by some. It also raises the question whether, even if there were actually an increase in locally-centred economic activity, people would be able to acknowledge such a potential success.
The Council do need to appeal to localism here; perhaps they're already doing this and it's just being lost in the noise. Perhaps the 'Mini-Holland' label makes it feel alien to some.
This will continue to be interesting to follow.
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Perhaps the 'Mini-Holland' label makes it feel alien to some.
The Enfield lot tried to pre-empt that by renaming it to "Cycle Enfield" and now all the businesses are like "RAAAAAAH FUCKING BIEKS EVERYWHERE, CAN'T PARK, CAN'T EVEN CROSS THE ROAD ANYMORE".
If it was named the "make public places nice scheme" they'd still be upset, tbh.
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As I have said before, both my barber and cobbler claim there's been a huge loss in their takings
They of course won't say how much -
Oliver, the shopping economy in E10 and E17 has shifted to the N Circular or on Online. Though some of it hangs on in Selbourne Walk, which is similar to Dalston Cross .
The growth in local retail is, I believe, largely in catering or small local and usually ethnic shops. There is a way to retain the local shopping economy and MH can and should be part of such a plan- but you have to move from the culture of shopping by car as the default.
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To be frank, I think 'Cycle Enfield' is worse; it makes it sound as if it's intended to benefit only cycling. With relatively few people cycling up there just yet, people won't understand the rationale behind it. (Obviously, either cycling is low and you increase it, or it is high and you increase it, but if someone doesn't want cycling to increase it won't make a difference to them whether it's high or low.) As I've always said (not that this is rocket science, but with nonsense like Crossrail happening it is quite clear that some people are unaware): London's key problem is over-centralisation and too many and too long trips into the very centre.
We need to have more activity elsewhere, so that people can live closer to where they work etc., house prices become more even, there is more mixed use, and in transport terms, trip lengths generally shorten, which is where the bike comes in, as it's unbeatable as a mode over shortish urban distances. Obviously, many on here think it's unbeatable over longish urban distances, too, but that is most likely not going to be a majority view any time soon. So a 'Mini-Holland' funding package can hopefully help with that complex of aims, and it would be a shame if the opportunity were lost. They should try to avoid keeping a door open to the sort of hysteria that is generated with most likely false claims of 50-60% losses to local businesses, which is, ironically, the very opposite of what this kind of initiative can potentially achieve. I fear that if you peg the whole thing only on one mode, in this case cycling, that door will be kept open. The perception in London has been shifting towards this idea for a while that cycling is for people on relatively high incomes who cycle to Central London, and because of the ridiculous development of house prices many of these people have been moving to Waltham Forest and some to Enfield. This trend of concentrating activity only in Central London is all very faulty and doesn't help cycling one bit.
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As I have said before, both my barber and cobbler claim there's been a huge loss in their takings
They of course won't say how much -
It's a familiar story; I've talked to a lot of traders over the years. Obviously, at the moment things are in upheaval there, so it's much too early to draw any firm conclusions, but every respectable study ever conducted has found that the vast majority of customers arrive on foot, by public transport, or by bike, even in places that have a lot less walking and cycling than London, and that the presence of cars, either parked or being driven, damages the ambience and actually deters people from visiting. Objections tend to disappear the moment people realise they're actually doing better as a result of more journeys on foot or by bike, as people using these modes are much less likely to go to out-of-town centres.
Oliver, the shopping economy in E10 and E17 has shifted to the N Circular or on Online. Though some of it hangs on in Selbourne Walk, which is similar to Dalston Cross .
The growth in local retail is, I believe, largely in catering or small local and usually ethnic shops. There is a way to retain the local shopping economy and MH can and should be part of such a plan- but you have to move from the culture of shopping by car as the default.
This seems to correspond to developments in retail that are observed nationwide. People are coming back to smaller local shops (which, unfortunately, is also being exploited by large supermarket chains that are undercutting local shops by opening 'local' branches--currently mostly a money loser for them but 'worth' it if a nearby local shop goes to the wall and the investment that undermined it can be recouped).
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To be frank, I think 'Cycle Enfield' is worse; it makes it sound as if it's intended to benefit only cycling.
Agree. We (as in local residents who support the scheme) are drumming up local support and a major struggle for us is just figuring out what to put on the bloody leaflets and posters. "Mini Holland" makes people angry, and "Cycle Enfield" makes people angry and it's really difficult to find wording that's more robust, given the constraints that the council have created with their own name.
Oh well. This too shall pass (eventually).
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Sections b and c are up on the waltham website:
https://lbrproposals.commonplace.is/section-b
https://lbrproposals.commonplace.is/section-cLook quite tasty to me, though there are a few pinch points along the route. The side road treatment looks consistent and well thought out.
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Just come across this which seems relevant http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-10/20/oslo-first-car-free-european-capital-2019
Many of the same issues on a larger scale