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  • Nah. People largely vote Conservative either because they're actively selfish or because they're passively selfish and don't realise that in being so they are actively damaging other people.

    Making the latter group realise the damage that is being done is necessary. The Tories want to continue pushing austerity in part because it necessitates a selfish attitude, which obviously works in their favour.

  • Well we can agree to disagree on that one! If you want to make someone "realise the damage that is being done" you aren't in my view going to achieve that by throwing eggs at them and calling them a cunt.

    Also the point on the Tories getting into power without the majority of people voting for them isn't the fault of the Tories - it is the fault of the system. Labour got in in 2005 with an even lower percentage, but I doubt you were up in arms about the injustice of it all then!

  • I was 13 in 2005 so forgive me for lacking a particularly sophisticated understanding of the country's electoral system. I think the closest I came to moral indignation that year was my reaction to the removal of chips from the school canteen (thanks Jamie).

    People react badly to being called cunts, for sure. Obviously explaining why their policies are wrong is important but it very often boils down to the fact that they're wrong because they're morally repugnant. What else do you call someone who is happy to have people die so that they can make a few quid?

  • Also the point on the Tories getting into power without the majority of people voting for them isn't the fault of the Tories - it is the fault of the system. Labour got in in 2005 with an even lower percentage, but I doubt you were up in arms about the injustice of it all then!

    First, it sort of is their fault as they led the campaign (along with a number of people in Labour, it is worth noting) against electoral reform.

    Second, you're simply wrong in many cases about people on the left (including those who were members of the Labour party) not being troubled by the electoral system in 2005.

    Of course Labour has historically benefited from the system, but that doesn't mean many who are attached to the Labour movement haven't opposed it.

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