Hoke's L96

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AVANTI-PISTA-TRACK-VELODROME-BIKE-/111776411877?hash=item1a0664b0e5

@Sumo and @roboto I would love to get the BMC TR01, but there is no stock at Evans for small (their frameset or bike)

My fatness and slowness can't justify that awesome bike...

What do you mean?

I was thinking just asking Evans cycles to order both bikes into the shop and I try them out and see which fits best.

They're both track bike.

Fitting is easy, see which stack and reach fit the closet to your old track bike.

Fitting is easy

Heresy! Do you forget where you are, Ed?

I'm not trying to be especially contrary but both the Hoy and the BMC come with DA and either openpro or the DTswiss clinchers - for well over a grand. I do have a hard time wrapping my head around not getting just a reasonable track frame and getting fucking awesome wheels for it, and then upgrading the frame when Black and Silver Cinderella '16 comes around :)

Checked out one of the top spec Hoy track bikes in Evans the other day, have to say they do look really good. Keep the Da/Open Pro wheels for training and get a disc/5spoke for probably about what the BMC Tr02 cost.

^ Wiser words.

Note the Hoy frame has Kilo-sizing toptube.

http://www.dolan-bikes.com/bike-components/wheels/navigator-n5-5-spoke-tubular-track-wheel-front.html

http://www.dolan-bikes.com/navigator-track-wheels/navigator-disc-track-wheels/navigator-ndt-tubular-track-wheel-rear.html

Why spend super money on an Alu frame? Either go full on buyer carbon, or just get a decent sesible alu bike with good finishing kit and wheels that you can carry over to a super frameset at a later date.

Hoy with the above wheels > BMC with alu wheels.

As Boardman says Position > Clothes > Wheels > Frame

Not that hoke will listen :)

Stop being such a tart :)
Those carbon BMC's are insane money for what you get, and the alu bikes they make are even more of a rip off. If you're not getting it on trade then they can GTFO. Buy-o-rama.

DF4 is the way to go here - nothing else comes close in performance/£ terms and they're good looking bikes. I thought I knew what stiff was until I got a Df3 - they are incredible and make every other track bike I've ever ridden feel like a noodly, flexy piece of crap.

If you want to be different then get Bobby Hoops to do you a mental paint job, and blow the rest of your (seemingly insane) budget on fancy wheels?

Yeah same, going from a Planet X to my T3.

PlanetFlex? I've ridden stiffer steel frames!

Well I'm not really a sprinter, or ever put more than about 600w through it given what it was used for. But it never felt too flexy, just that the Cervelo is so much better.

Looking back, I think the Giant Omnium I had was stiffer than a PX frame. Pretty sure those PX frames are stuffed with newspaper or something.

Cervelo really know how to build stiff bottom bracket areas - my R5 is incredibly stiff considering how light and comfortable it is.. and the S2 was like a rock too.

Yeah, my Vigorelli is stiffer than my PX. Which is why I'm still riding the Vig and sold the PX.

still is!

Granted there will be a debate about price vs value of the bike.

Doing some research on the interweb anyone used 'peter cycles' before?

Some really 'cheap' track frames for sale...:

http://petercycle.com/products/Cervelo-T1-2012-Frameset.html

http://petercycle.com/products/Argon-18-Electron-Pro-Frameset.html

http://petercycle.com/products/Look-496-Zed-Track-Frameset.html

that T1 is cheeeeeeap

I wouldn't bother with the ARgon-18. The Look however...

Peter's Shop address
Jln. Batik Manteron No.33 - Bandung 40123
West Java
Indonesia
(022) 2501666

Maybe not.

Never mind, did some research and seems too good to be true! Definitely a spam website!

t1 is a rip off frame with weird geo too