Ortlieb Messenger backpack opinions/better recommendations?

I'm after a weatherproof backpack for commuting and general daily use, and tbh struggling to find something that completely fits the bill. I'm after something at least 30L big, can fit a 15inch macbook, completely waterproof and have good visibility... Any recommendations?

The Ortlieb Messenger bag looks great but doesn't have any separate or internal pockets which I think could be infuriating after having used a Chrome Citizen for this last year (which has been great, but I now need something bigger and want two straps). Would be great to be able to strap my lock on the outside of a bag too.

The Chrome Bravo looks good but it appears you have to extend the bag out the top if you want to fill it upwards of 20L. A T-Level rolltop would be great though how are these on visibility? And anyone used an Ortlieb Transporter?

Seen quite a few people with Mission Workshop backpacks and never heard anything negative.

Unfortunately the closest thing the messenger get to internal pockets is THIS and it is pretty small.

Bigxtop.

You could check out the LOMO drybags. They have quite a few different models. No compartments though as far as I know.

Chrome Yalta/Barrage?

I've been using Ortlieb bags them for years and really like them, they are very tough and certainly waterproof. You can get a few internal pockets as extras which pop in. The transporter looks like it would be very sweaty on your back due to the lack of padding/ventilation there. I really like the look of the Messenger XL, but its probably a bit overkill at 60 litres.

Cheers for the replies guys! Yeah @Murphys_Law I did look at LOMO, am keen on this
http://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/walkers-drybag-rucksack.html
(of course comes with a way to carry my iceaxe too) but it's out of stock - any idea on where else might stock this one?

@cable Mission Workshop seem great but not v big on visibility! Just watched their rambler packing video on the site though and it's incredibly slick.

Cheers Borek - what internal pockets do you use/where do you get them from? (- is there anything more extensive than the one in salmonchild's link above?)

Thanks for the heads up on the transporter. Yeah I was eyeing up the Messenger XL but definitely a bit overkill (possibly on the budget too) though the thought of rocking up to the office each day with it is pretty funny!

That one caught my eye too. My lil' brother has the 30l black one and is quite happy with it. Holds a laptop and enough stuff to get you through the day.

The LOMO stuff is also quite cheap, which is nice.

Also, it holds 2 iceaxes, not only one. Because the only thing you need more than one iceaxe is 2 iceaxes, obv.
But I guess with a little bit of out-of-the-box-thinking these straps can be used for a multitude of stuff.

I don't think they retail anywhere else. Maybe write them and ask?

I myself have gotten around quite well for the last 1-2 years with an Ortlieb Velocity. It fits a 15" laptop nicely, and everything I need for work/uni/overnight.
It's only 20l though, so its capacity has its limits..

bagaboo are ace, had mine for 6 years, still looks great and works as it did when it was a day old.

All built to order, so can spec reflective all over.

I've dropped LOMO an email so we'll see what they say (and yes of course - I meant both my iceaxes).

Yeah Ortlieb Velocity look good but definitely not big enough for me! Now that I've started using spds I have some days where I'm carrying two pairs of shoes (work & gym kit) which is ridiculous I know.

I'm actually feeling like I might be being swayed to a Mission workshop Rambler. Have just looked at Chrome Ivan too which has seperate wet/dry compartments which is pretty sick! Both of these are pretty steep in price though...

@coldharbour bagaboo could be an idea... which one do you have? The Rancid looks like it might work well

workhorse pro large.

I've just replaced a Chrome Ivan with a trash bag. The Ivan was good, separate pockets you could put wet stuff in was nice. It survived several downpours keeping everything dry. Was a bit pricy but I figured it was worth paying a bit for a proper waterproof bag to protect a laptop. I just needed something bigger.

Ivan is for sale on here #spam