That Corbyn fella...

Cuban Missile Crisis - America parks missiles in Turkey, directly threatening USSR. This is not even worth mentioning. USSR parks missiles in Cuba, directly threatening USA. USA loses it's shit.

I'm pretty sure that there was some kind of defence agreement with Ukraine, which was part of the basis that Ukraine gave up the nukes under its control when the USSR disintegrated.

Written from my phone, so apologies:

This is a rehash of his article that was posted a page or two ago. Which is a rehash of every other piece from the last two months. There is nothing I saw which is new. With one exception - he's trying to dismiss retorts that you can't judge Corbyn based on who he may have shared a platform with. That is, he's reviving the claim that Corbyn is a horrible human because other people who like him/support him/have spoken with him are. This isn't entirely new and he admits it. But he goes one step further: Corbyn is beyond salvation because of - not who he associates with, but - who associates with him. And then goes on to tell us who this people are (antisemitic, antisecular, misogynists).

There are a lot of problems with this argument. But they don't matter. It falls apart because it's hyperbole and moral righteousness. I agree with the principals he ended his piece on ("The causes I most care about — secularism, freedom of speech, universal human rights — are not their causes."). And these views are not inerrantly left wing (liberal, if anything, and very much shared by many Tories). The piece fails, in my opinion, because only a lunatic would assume they were not shared by others in labour. He's lost sight of reality in the clearly chaotic days post-Corbyn win.

Labour’s new leader sees a moral equivalence between 9/11 and the assassination of bin Laden, and associates with every variety of women-hating, queer-bashing, Jew-baiting jihadi, holocaust denier and 9/11 truther. His supporters know it, but they don’t care.

Well, that's balanced journalism for you...

Just don't read the comments.

I've been speaking to a few traditional, old-school labour supporters over the past few days who aren't keen on Corbyn due to his reported comments re: the armed forces, etc.

It'll be interesting to see how Labour try to get the message over in these areas, and how the media continue to report it. They didn't do a great job of managing the national anthem story.

Just don't read the comments.

I quite enjoyed the high levels of petulant butthurt in those comments, tbf. Almost as much as I enjoyed the petulant butthurt of the article itself.

ALWAYS read the comments

Weekly British Conservative magazine in given up on the left shocker.

I'd never heard of Jess Phillips until just now, but she sounds amazing (I'm not a fan of Diane Abbott either):

Mr Corbyn looked on in silence as the two MPs argued.

Talking to The Huffington Post UK, Ms Phillips, who despite being elected in May has already earned a reputation for being one of the most outspoken MPs, said: “I roundly told her to fuck off.”

When asked what Ms Abbott did after that suggestion, Ms Phillips replied: “She fucked off.”

She added: “People said to me they had always wanted to say that to her, and I don’t know why they don’t as the opportunity presents itself every other minute.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/17/jess-phillips-diane-abbott-corbyn_n_8151468.html

What exactly is your point? Yeah, it's fairer to say that the US started that one. The US withdrew the missiles from Turkey, the USSR withdrew the missiles from Cuba. Neither side was as stupid again, fortunately. Are PL and CZ still supposed to not join NATO in case they hurt Russia's feelings?

Nobody was supposed to try to coerce Ukraine or use force against it, the Budapest Memorandum said.

I refer you to the hordes of holidaying off-duty Russian soldiers currently enjoying the climate of eastern Ukraine. And, er, the annexation of Crimea.

his take on Corbyn and the new left here...

Posted with no affiliation to views/politics etc etc. Lah-di-da.

But he is a journalist I have always admired and if he has major concerns I will listen.
I am watching all of this with interest from the sidelines, I actually voted Whig at the GE much to the bafflement of everyone who knew. Corbyn, interests me as a fellow Republican, secularist and all round principled man.

Posted with no affiliation to views/politics etc etc. Lah-di-da.

Word! My response was not meant to cause offense to you either. As I said to another article I quite disliked, I want to read them.

I am watching all of this with interest from the sidelines.

Me too - for the moment. But I'm tempted to signup. That's why I'm happy to see ideas thrown about (and why, in addition to procrastination, I'll spend my time engaging with them).

No offense taken! Likewise I am interested to engage in debate and this has been a great thread for it!

I thought you mentioned somewhere that you just joined Labour?

Nope, not me.

When? I haven't. Been playing with the idea/threatened to a couple of times over the last month or so, though.

You'll never be more than a trampale socialist, though.

I didn't realise this thread existed. I might have to do a threadbombing in a bit ... :)

You'll never be more than a trampale socialist, though.

Nice.

Word! My response was not meant to cause offense to you either.

This is rubbish, it's like the new politics invading the forum. Boo hiss. :)

Nice.

Better get used to it now you've been lulled into your political comfort zone by Jeremy's dulcet tones. :)

In other words, Jeremy's appointed A Eagle, which snottyotter will like.

My mistake. Must have been another cup shaped avatar.