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  • a huge amount of UKIP support at the last election was generated not because 20% of the electorate are racist, but because Farage appeared to be different from the Westminster Borg.

    Good point, it does make Corbyn's chances look better if you think of his appeal as being "anti-establishment" rather than simply "leftist". He will win votes back from UKIP, as I said before, especially as he is open to the idea of pulling out of the EU (one thing which worries me a little).

    A 12 seat majority isn't tiny, compared with the situation after the 2010 election, though granted it's not "massive" as I said. What is significant however is the net gain of 24 seats, it is very rare for an incumbent party to make such a gain. The point remains that Labour cannot win an election without winning back tory held seats. I can't see Corbyn doing this.

  • A 12 seat majority isn't tiny, compared with the situation after the 2010 election, though granted it's not "massive" as I said. What is significant however is the net gain of 24 seats, it is very rare for an incumbent party to make such a gain. The point remains that Labour cannot win an election without winning back tory held seats. I can't see Corbyn doing this.

    They weren't an incumbent party in the traditional sense. They were a member of a coalition (thus, closer to a minority government). It's not strange at all for their number of seats to go up.

    Also, in you reply to me: 1) you did. 2) I disagree. But that's okay. If you want to convince me that I should agree, provide substance, not repetition (like @christianSpaceman did).

  • 1) you did

    Where? If so if was a kind of dumb thing to say. Moronic, even.

  • I've only really dipped in and out of this thread and in fact the whole leadership contest, and having read a few of the posts above this one I'm certainly adding little to this thread.

    My feeling is that there should be a massive amount of people who voted Tory last time, but who have in their lifetime voted Labour (Blair's government) and could be convinced to do so again.

    But given that they've just voted Tory they're really unlikely to do so for someone like Corbyn, frankly no matter what his policies are.

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