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andyp-
Yeh, that's a decent length grind. I went up there yesterday actually for the first time in ages and remembered i really dislike riding it. It just feels really dull and the road surface is really weird and bumpy (I'm a bit precious).
One that I prefer for that type of gradient and length is layhams road / skid hill lane in West Wickham (but there is a crossroad half way which can throw a spanner in the works)
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This only takes 17 mins or so.
jim1985
Hovis
Um. Most of us live in the UK.