• We shouldn't want to be like them, we should want to be like us but with a comparable modal share. That's what will be more achievable and sustainable.

    I don't know what you mean.

    We're different. We have a different national identity, a different national psyche, a different national approach to travel and transport.

    Take for example coffee. Both Spain and the Netherlands drink lots of coffee and so do we. But the experience of cafe culture in all three countries is very different to the others. Sure there's some cross over between the three but if you were teleported into a typical coffee shop in any of the three but didn't have any language indicators you would still have a very good chance of knowing which one you were in.

    A pretty good guess is, again, poor decision making. It means we don't really have an understanding of the risks we're taking and how to manage and mitigate them. And yes, we have to start somewhere. But instead of starting in the Netherlands, or Spain, or any other country out there, how about we start here.

  • I'm confused. Our roads and coffee are, mostly, shit.

    There are a variety of tools in the box to encourage mass, safer cycling

    The nice thing about building stuff is that a) it's cheap,
    b) it's quick and c) it's really easy to tell if it's working - or not, and is easy to change.

  • You can't deny that there is too much of both, tho

  • I'm going to disagree with you about the coffee, there's a lot of good coffee about. However, quality was irrelevant to the point, it was the experience of the cafe culture that was the object of the comparison.

    As for building stuff, particularly roads and transport infrastructure, is that it isn't cheap and it isn't quick. It may look like that from the point of access but going through the scoping, tendering, design, planning, consultation and early implementation stages are both costly and long-winded. This is the reason we don't just whack stuff in and see what happens and then play about with it later. And we absolutely shouldn't. That, if anything, is the lesson that the whole country should be leaning from the tragic fiasco that was, and in some ways still is, Blackfriars Bridge.

  • It's also very visible. Handy for convincing people that something substantial is happening, when it isn't.

  • The nice thing about building stuff is that a) it's cheap,
    b) it's quick and c) it's really easy to tell if it's working - or not, and is easy to change.

    I properly thought you were joking...

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