• Yeah, that's bad logic. We don't have the long history of cycling infrastructure and culture of the Netherlands. Whilst we may want to target the same modal share, we have to consider our own current history and culture and determine the best way to develop in a way that suits us. Simple mimicery of the Netherlands isn't automatically the best solution. We shouldn't want to be like them, we should want to be like us but with a comparable modal share. That's what will be more achievable and sustainable.

  • Simple mimicery of the Netherlands isn't automatically the best solution.

    It's a pretty good guess. Strict liability, stickers, cycle training, passive encouragement have done nothing elsewhere. Segregation has.

    We shouldn't want to be like them, we should want to be like us but with a comparable modal share. That's what will be more achievable and sustainable.

    I don't know what you mean.

    We don't have the long history of cycling infrastructure and culture of the Netherlands

    The Dutch had large multi lane roads and no infrastructure as late as the seventies. Then they started to build cycle tracks. A lot of what they built at first has been replaced and refined since, you've got to start somewhere.

  • We shouldn't want to be like them, we should want to be like us but with a comparable modal share. That's what will be more achievable and sustainable.

    I don't know what you mean.

    We're different. We have a different national identity, a different national psyche, a different national approach to travel and transport.

    Take for example coffee. Both Spain and the Netherlands drink lots of coffee and so do we. But the experience of cafe culture in all three countries is very different to the others. Sure there's some cross over between the three but if you were teleported into a typical coffee shop in any of the three but didn't have any language indicators you would still have a very good chance of knowing which one you were in.

    A pretty good guess is, again, poor decision making. It means we don't really have an understanding of the risks we're taking and how to manage and mitigate them. And yes, we have to start somewhere. But instead of starting in the Netherlands, or Spain, or any other country out there, how about we start here.

  • It's a pretty good guess. Strict liability, stickers, cycle training, passive encouragement have done nothing elsewhere. Segregation has.

    Au contraire, Vive La France!

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