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The other thing to try and do, and it's easier said than done, is to hold back a bit on the first couple of days, so you're not on your knees with three days left to ride.
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It was at the end of a long dark Norwegian winter.
I'd done a lot of fatbike riding and sufferfest vids. Which in retro spec was fuck all.I climbed by feel. Slowly got stronger through the week then slowly died. Which is pretty much per plan.
I guess the atl was horrible I'll check.
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Yep. From my P2m
Based on a Ftp that was too high too.I only uploaded my data when I got home, so while I felt rough. I just assumed I needed to build my Htfu scores.
The epic downhill slide after, shows how crap a training plan it was. Awesome holiday though.
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Yep, pacing myself will be key.
Problem is, I get too excited and competitive! Am doing a lot of back to back big rides at the moment to see what i can do day after day and will base my efforts loosely on that.
In other, Heart Rate related, news, I've noticed my max heart rate over 5 mins or less is a lot lower than it used to be. I can't really work out if this is a good or bad thing? My previous peaks for these durations were all in the same effort when I think i wasn't particularly well and fatigued, so that may be a bit of an outlier...? Thoughts?
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I changed roles at work around 11 months ago now, and as part of that change I had to be in Europe quite frequently, and America every now and again - at times I was in (say) France for three out of every five days, then back for a week, then in Germany etc.
Whilst I took my running stuff with me I did not take my bike, and my riding fitness plummeted.
This means that I have actually, for the first time ever, paid attention to pacing strategies and stuck to them*, and used my powermeter properly whilst on the bike to help me meter out effort.
The good news is that when I've stuck to my plan I've performed well beyond my expectations (PR's for things etc).
It's worth tempering your competitive spirit a little, if only so you'll go faster.
*When I was spending a lot of time on the bike, doing structured workouts on the turbo etc I had a much, much higher FTP and used to just charge off at top speed, and damn the consequences.
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Yes, I think I'm gonna have to be dull and do a bit of a Froome-Dawg, and ride to a pre-determined power for at least the first half of the week so that i can save something back for the latter days.
Then at the end of the week, it will probably be a case of going out in full power, balls-out glory!! (read: minimal remaining power glory)
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If you're in a group everyone else will be going balls out at the start because that's what people do. It's very satisfying letting them gloat about the first days 'victories' while you make some excuse about warming up to the climbs and then fucking crushing their feeble carcasses for the remainder of the trip. Particularly effective when the group is full of Aussie dudes with no pacing skills or foresight.
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+40 and you'll be un-neededly fresh. You'll come back without the big overload you desire. You want to be on your knees at the end as that's overload.
I started transcontinental at +30 and that was perfect. Don't become untrained just to ride hard, just freshen up and then take the first few days at caution then ride yourself into the ground as he week ends, then when you get back take some time off and some way days and let your body recover. Use your time off to recover after riding hard not to become untrained before.
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I have used a wattbike three times and enjoyed the data, each time was a test for a friends PhD. In the test I needed to burn 500 calories as quickly as possible. My power has increased in this time. I was aiming for a 300 avg for 25mins it came out at 297 (4.34/kg). He was also taking Vo2 max reading for his studies.
He has offered to do Vo2 max test as a favour for me being a test subject.
I can see the benefit of training with power, but I won't be buying a power metre for a while. I guess what I'm trying to ask in a round about way, is am I getting ahead of myself getting a vo2 max test when I will probably only be training with power twice a week in short bursts at the gym.Or is it useful to know even if I am just training with a HR?
I also see talk of training peaks in this thread. What is the best way to use training peaks if I am not training for anything in particular?
I guess the other thought I had relating to this was can anyone see the possibility of power metres being standard on higher end bikes in 2017.
Thanks and sorry if too general wrong thread.
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I see your point, and I didn't mean to suggest in my above post you're wrong, but I'm just cautious.
I do want the mega overload and the benefits this will bring, and I'll be disappointed if I'm not a dribbling wreck when I'm home. However, I want to be able to ride strong the whole time and not have the last days as a day of pure pain and embarrassment. But I think that will be as much about daily pacing as much as fitness/ fatigue etc beforehand.
How long was transcontinental and what kinda ride was it?
I'm probably over thinking this a lot...
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Vo2 is pointless test really. Mine is near world class but I'm far from it due to other limiting factors, efficency. If you're not training with power it's all pointless testing. Just learn what perceived effort feels like and use HR with caution and common sense. Get him to do a MAP/Ramp test they're good. Will tell you what you can do now then you can go back and test again.
Power meters wont become standard for a long time.
If you're not using power training peaks is pointless. Just log your time and percived effort in a diary and see how you feel and you can check back.
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No matter how fresh you are you won't be able to ride strong for 7 days, that's the point. You'll be fucked however fresh you are, but be too fresh and your body will shut down sooner as it's not sued to riding.
Arive at TSB 0 you'll be tired in 2 days
Arrive at TSB 20-30 you'll be tired but then still not too tired
Arrive at TSB 50 you'll be too fresh but then still not too tired and not overload enough.I know you werent saying I was wrong, it's all personal opinion.
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Power meters wont become standard for a long time.
If ever. It's just too much trouble for a bike manufacturer to take on:
- They're bound to pick the wrong one, since everybody has an opinion about which is the best class of power meter for them, even disregarding brand preference
- They won't want the warranty/service issues
- Lead times on whole bikes are long, so by the time the bike hits the shop floor it will be overpriced and outdated as long as PMs follow the economic consequences of Moore's Law, which looks like continuing for quite a while.
- They're bound to pick the wrong one, since everybody has an opinion about which is the best class of power meter for them, even disregarding brand preference
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Vo2 is pointless test really.
Indeed.
Cheaper/easier for me is to use VDOT (from running) to get a pretty good estimate of VO2max (sadly mine is currently ~35 but if I lose the lard it should be up to a semi-respectable 45-49).
Dr Hutch has freaky VO2max, above the values of many/most TdF pros, but lacks other magic to make him be able to utilise it as well as the TdF pros:-
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A thought, for those who feel a Froome VO2max test will clarify all. I had a VO2max of 90ml/min/kg in 2005 yet was still a v.ordinary rider.
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Ha, how do you know about that? Quite a few of us have been banhammered today. I kept it civil!
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Great tips, thanks again
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